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Which of these oils has the highest level of moly? PYB,PHM,or QSAD? I haven't seen any recent uoas or voas of these.
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What question are you trying to answer by using the highest moly oil?
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In my experience high moly oils have the reputation of smoothness,quietness.
Keep in mind that there's different types of moly, namely dinuclear and trinuclear MoDTC. Trinuclear MoDTC is much more effective than dinuclear MoDTC and at lower concentrations. Trinuclear MoDTC at 80 ppm is more effective than dinuclear MoDTC at 200 ppm, for example. The old SN formula for PYB, PHM, and QSAD used dinuclear MoDTC. Don't let the number alone fool you.
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The highly revered high performance Redline always comes to mind with its mega high amounts of molybdenum.
What does moly do in a DI non turbo engine?
Toyota has 787 Moly http://pqiadata.org/Toyota_0W20.html
Maxlife has 2 Moly http://pqiadata.org/Valvoline_MaxLife_5W30.html
Would that make Toyota oil smooth and quiet?
Maxlife has 2 Moly http://pqiadata.org/Valvoline_MaxLife_5W30.html
Would that make Toyota oil smooth and quiet?
Some racing oils exceed 1600ppm moly. Some boutique every day use oils exceed 1200ppm. These are in group IV/V base stock formulations and the cost involved far exceeds the oils you have listed. What bargain priced oil that meets your needs has the highest moly may be a better question.
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Originally Posted by krismoriah72
Toyota has 787 Moly http://pqiadata.org/Toyota_0W20.html
Maxlife has 2 Moly http://pqiadata.org/Valvoline_MaxLife_5W30.html
Would that make Toyota oil smooth and quiet?
That Toyota oil has ALOT of moly!!
Toyota has 787 Moly http://pqiadata.org/Toyota_0W20.html
Maxlife has 2 Moly http://pqiadata.org/Valvoline_MaxLife_5W30.html
Would that make Toyota oil smooth and quiet?
That Toyota oil has ALOT of moly!!
Originally Posted by RDY4WAR
Keep in mind that there's different types of moly, namely dinuclear and trinuclear MoDTC. Trinuclear MoDTC is much more effective than dinuclear MoDTC and at lower concentrations. Trinuclear MoDTC at 80 ppm is more effective than dinuclear MoDTC at 200 ppm, for example. The old SN formula for PYB, PHM, and QSAD used dinuclear MoDTC. Don't let the number alone fool you.
I think he knows this but sometimes I'm not sure.
Why not dump a half a dozen Liquimoly oil additive cans into your sump? You would have thousands of ppm of moly running through your engine.
Keep in mind that there's different types of moly, namely dinuclear and trinuclear MoDTC. Trinuclear MoDTC is much more effective than dinuclear MoDTC and at lower concentrations. Trinuclear MoDTC at 80 ppm is more effective than dinuclear MoDTC at 200 ppm, for example. The old SN formula for PYB, PHM, and QSAD used dinuclear MoDTC. Don't let the number alone fool you.
I think he knows this but sometimes I'm not sure.
Why not dump a half a dozen Liquimoly oil additive cans into your sump? You would have thousands of ppm of moly running through your engine.
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I'm no chemist,I only read what I see on analyses. With all the different types of molybdenum,I'm guessing oils like Redline use the old school type? If the trinuclear is better,then why does a high end expensive oil like Redline use dinuclear in large amounts?
As to the MOS2 stuff,I just can't see how an aftermarket additive could possible be effective if it wasn't originally formulated into the oil during the manufacturing process.
As to the MOS2 stuff,I just can't see how an aftermarket additive could possible be effective if it wasn't originally formulated into the oil during the manufacturing process.
Originally Posted by aquariuscsm
I'm no chemist,I only read what I see on analyses. With all the different types of molybdenum,I'm guessing oils like Redline use the old school type? If the trinuclear is better,then why does a high end expensive oil like Redline use dinuclear in large amounts?
As to the MOS2 stuff,I just can't see how an aftermarket additive could possible be effective if it wasn't originally formulated into the oil during the manufacturing process.
Because it costs money to reformulate. Redline is a small operation with a limited R&D budget compared to the majors.
It is a volume business and the smaller guys simply cannot compete with the majors when it comes to commodities like this.
I'm no chemist,I only read what I see on analyses. With all the different types of molybdenum,I'm guessing oils like Redline use the old school type? If the trinuclear is better,then why does a high end expensive oil like Redline use dinuclear in large amounts?
As to the MOS2 stuff,I just can't see how an aftermarket additive could possible be effective if it wasn't originally formulated into the oil during the manufacturing process.
Because it costs money to reformulate. Redline is a small operation with a limited R&D budget compared to the majors.
It is a volume business and the smaller guys simply cannot compete with the majors when it comes to commodities like this.
Originally Posted by The Critic
Originally Posted by aquariuscsm
I'm no chemist,I only read what I see on analyses. With all the different types of molybdenum,I'm guessing oils like Redline use the old school type? If the trinuclear is better,then why does a high end expensive oil like Redline use dinuclear in large amounts?
As to the MOS2 stuff,I just can't see how an aftermarket additive could possible be effective if it wasn't originally formulated into the oil during the manufacturing process.
Because it costs money to reformulate. Redline is a small operation with a limited R&D budget compared to the majors.
It is a volume business and the smaller guys simply cannot compete with the majors when it comes to commodities like this.
I thought Phillips66 owned Redline?
Originally Posted by aquariuscsm
I'm no chemist,I only read what I see on analyses. With all the different types of molybdenum,I'm guessing oils like Redline use the old school type? If the trinuclear is better,then why does a high end expensive oil like Redline use dinuclear in large amounts?
As to the MOS2 stuff,I just can't see how an aftermarket additive could possible be effective if it wasn't originally formulated into the oil during the manufacturing process.
Because it costs money to reformulate. Redline is a small operation with a limited R&D budget compared to the majors.
It is a volume business and the smaller guys simply cannot compete with the majors when it comes to commodities like this.
I thought Phillips66 owned Redline?
Originally Posted by PimTac
Originally Posted by The Critic
Originally Posted by aquariuscsm
I'm no chemist,I only read what I see on analyses. With all the different types of molybdenum,I'm guessing oils like Redline use the old school type? If the trinuclear is better,then why does a high end expensive oil like Redline use dinuclear in large amounts?
As to the MOS2 stuff,I just can't see how an aftermarket additive could possible be effective if it wasn't originally formulated into the oil during the manufacturing process.
Because it costs money to reformulate. Redline is a small operation with a limited R&D budget compared to the majors.
It is a volume business and the smaller guys simply cannot compete with the majors when it comes to commodities like this.
I thought Phillips66 owned Redline?
True, but as someone who has worked in Fortune 500 companies, you will be surprised by how "silo'ed" these places tend to be. It would not surprise me if newly acquired entities or various departments are "on their own."
Originally Posted by The Critic
Originally Posted by aquariuscsm
I'm no chemist,I only read what I see on analyses. With all the different types of molybdenum,I'm guessing oils like Redline use the old school type? If the trinuclear is better,then why does a high end expensive oil like Redline use dinuclear in large amounts?
As to the MOS2 stuff,I just can't see how an aftermarket additive could possible be effective if it wasn't originally formulated into the oil during the manufacturing process.
Because it costs money to reformulate. Redline is a small operation with a limited R&D budget compared to the majors.
It is a volume business and the smaller guys simply cannot compete with the majors when it comes to commodities like this.
I thought Phillips66 owned Redline?
True, but as someone who has worked in Fortune 500 companies, you will be surprised by how "silo'ed" these places tend to be. It would not surprise me if newly acquired entities or various departments are "on their own."
Originally Posted by aquariuscsm
I'm no chemist,I only read what I see on analyses. With all the different types of molybdenum,I'm guessing oils like Redline use the old school type? If the trinuclear is better,then why does a high end expensive oil like Redline use dinuclear in large amounts?
As to the MOS2 stuff,I just can't see how an aftermarket additive could possible be effective if it wasn't originally formulated into the oil during the manufacturing process.
Red Line uses trinuclear MoDTC.
I'm no chemist,I only read what I see on analyses. With all the different types of molybdenum,I'm guessing oils like Redline use the old school type? If the trinuclear is better,then why does a high end expensive oil like Redline use dinuclear in large amounts?
As to the MOS2 stuff,I just can't see how an aftermarket additive could possible be effective if it wasn't originally formulated into the oil during the manufacturing process.
Red Line uses trinuclear MoDTC.
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The answer is any oil when you add this. Moly you want, moly you get!
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It's also horribly inefficient unless you're dumping 2+ cans into the crankcase, at which point you're starting to dilute your other additives. That's if that additive even gets absorbed in suspension. I'd be willing to bet the 80 ppm of trinuclear MoDTC in modern oils is more effective for friction reduction than 300-400 ppm from a can of MoS2.
If you feel like you need to add something to your oil to make it "better", then you need to use better oil.
The answer is any oil when you add this. Moly you want, moly you get!
It's also horribly inefficient unless you're dumping 2+ cans into the crankcase, at which point you're starting to dilute your other additives. That's if that additive even gets absorbed in suspension. I'd be willing to bet the 80 ppm of trinuclear MoDTC in modern oils is more effective for friction reduction than 300-400 ppm from a can of MoS2.
If you feel like you need to add something to your oil to make it "better", then you need to use better oil.
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