I think in today's world a Bachelors Degree is what a high school diploma was 30 years ago.
High School Diploma=Associate's Degree
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Originally Posted By: Brett Miller
I think in today's world a Bachelors Degree is what a high school diploma was 30 years ago.
I keep seeing this, but I still see crazy stats that people are still dropping out of high school. anyone got a link?
I think in today's world a Bachelors Degree is what a high school diploma was 30 years ago.
I keep seeing this, but I still see crazy stats that people are still dropping out of high school. anyone got a link?
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Imo,college is a complete waste of time and money unless you learn a trade. Getting a generic liberal arts degree will land you a good job as a cashier at a retail store.
Disagree. College degree (even liberal arts) coupled to a decent internship you are in great position. Or if you get to know the right people you are set too.
I think now you really need to seize the opportunity.
Imo,college is a complete waste of time and money unless you learn a trade. Getting a generic liberal arts degree will land you a good job as a cashier at a retail store.
Disagree. College degree (even liberal arts) coupled to a decent internship you are in great position. Or if you get to know the right people you are set too.
I think now you really need to seize the opportunity.
Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
Originally Posted By: Brett Miller
I think in today's world a Bachelors Degree is what a high school diploma was 30 years ago.
I keep seeing this, but I still see crazy stats that people are still dropping out of high school. anyone got a link?
It is both. IMO those who graduate HS tends to go to college more often than those 30 years ago because of the lack of good jobs needing only HS education, and afford-ability and desire to go to college of today's kids.
Originally Posted By: Brett Miller
I think in today's world a Bachelors Degree is what a high school diploma was 30 years ago.
I keep seeing this, but I still see crazy stats that people are still dropping out of high school. anyone got a link?
It is both. IMO those who graduate HS tends to go to college more often than those 30 years ago because of the lack of good jobs needing only HS education, and afford-ability and desire to go to college of today's kids.
If I was hiring, and there was a surplus of applicants, I certainly would zero in on those with Master's Degrees.
Why not?
It's just the way it is.
Why not?
It's just the way it is.
I have hired a lot of people of the years.
It depends on what your associate degree is in. If I advertise for a senior accountant, an associate degree in a related field and several years of experience are an absolute MINIMUM, bachelor's is preferred. If you have just a HS diploma, do not even bother to apply, you will not meet the minimum requirements of the job.
Even in today's economy I have had a hard time find qualified people.
It depends on what your associate degree is in. If I advertise for a senior accountant, an associate degree in a related field and several years of experience are an absolute MINIMUM, bachelor's is preferred. If you have just a HS diploma, do not even bother to apply, you will not meet the minimum requirements of the job.
Even in today's economy I have had a hard time find qualified people.
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Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
I keep seeing this, but I still see crazy stats that people are still dropping out of high school. anyone got a link?
I got my answer today. The education secretary was on CNN John King show tonight. "27% of Americans have not graduated from high school" I assume that is an 18 year old and older stat
I keep seeing this, but I still see crazy stats that people are still dropping out of high school. anyone got a link?
I got my answer today. The education secretary was on CNN John King show tonight. "27% of Americans have not graduated from high school" I assume that is an 18 year old and older stat
When my office hired a Administrative Assistant position, we received 125+ applications. I was on the hiring team and reviewed them all. I dropped anyone that did not have a 4 year degree. I recall we had some people with PHDs, and several more with masters degrees. This was a 32 hr part time job that pays roughly 13/hr. That's how bad the economy is folks. Get used to it.
I have an AA, 2 B.S. degrees and a minor, plus some masters courses. I'm not marketable because I don't have many certifications. The reason I took the position I'm in right now is to remedy that, due to the fact my employer will pay for the courses. The more logos you have on your resume, the better.
Give the economy 10 years. It'll come around by then.
I have an AA, 2 B.S. degrees and a minor, plus some masters courses. I'm not marketable because I don't have many certifications. The reason I took the position I'm in right now is to remedy that, due to the fact my employer will pay for the courses. The more logos you have on your resume, the better.
Give the economy 10 years. It'll come around by then.
80/20 rule applies to business, education, and life in general.
That piece of paper doesn't mean much.
Get to the 20% of 20% you will never have to worry ever in your lifetime.
That piece of paper doesn't mean much.
Get to the 20% of 20% you will never have to worry ever in your lifetime.
Originally Posted By: bigmike
When my office hired a Administrative Assistant position, we received 125+ applications. I was on the hiring team and reviewed them all. I dropped anyone that did not have a 4 year degree. I recall we had some people with PHDs, and several more with masters degrees. This was a 32 hr part time job that pays roughly 13/hr. That's how bad the economy is folks. Get used to it.
I have an AA, 2 B.S. degrees and a minor, plus some masters courses. I'm not marketable because I don't have many certifications. The reason I took the position I'm in right now is to remedy that, due to the fact my employer will pay for the courses. The more logos you have on your resume, the better.
Give the economy 10 years. It'll come around by then.
Man, that's insane. my boss was harassing me to work overtime this weekend. my company won't hire anyone, they are leaning on the salary folks to work 12 hours a day.
When my office hired a Administrative Assistant position, we received 125+ applications. I was on the hiring team and reviewed them all. I dropped anyone that did not have a 4 year degree. I recall we had some people with PHDs, and several more with masters degrees. This was a 32 hr part time job that pays roughly 13/hr. That's how bad the economy is folks. Get used to it.
I have an AA, 2 B.S. degrees and a minor, plus some masters courses. I'm not marketable because I don't have many certifications. The reason I took the position I'm in right now is to remedy that, due to the fact my employer will pay for the courses. The more logos you have on your resume, the better.
Give the economy 10 years. It'll come around by then.
Man, that's insane. my boss was harassing me to work overtime this weekend. my company won't hire anyone, they are leaning on the salary folks to work 12 hours a day.
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Justin,
Which school did you go to ?
ITT Technical Institute.
Justin,
Which school did you go to ?
ITT Technical Institute.
Too many people have used education to get in the door but then fail to perform in their field. I worked my way up after the military and achieved certifications to rise. Now after 15 years in my field I am continuing my formal education. I seriously don't think I would be any further along in life if I had had the oppurtunnity to earn a bachelors degree right out of high School.
Experience, a record of success and a real network > paper education.
All that being said I wish more young people would consider that there is more to life than lifetime earnings. If you work in a field you do not seriously enjoy it is an imprisonment with the chains being a good income. Money, material possessions, nice homes cannot replace the 8-12 hours a day you will toil at your tasks.
Most of your waking hours of your life are at work. It's best if you can get some satisfaction and enjoyment from the work and not simply an income.
Experience, a record of success and a real network > paper education.
All that being said I wish more young people would consider that there is more to life than lifetime earnings. If you work in a field you do not seriously enjoy it is an imprisonment with the chains being a good income. Money, material possessions, nice homes cannot replace the 8-12 hours a day you will toil at your tasks.
Most of your waking hours of your life are at work. It's best if you can get some satisfaction and enjoyment from the work and not simply an income.
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
If I was hiring, and there was a surplus of applicants, I certainly would zero in on those with Master's Degrees.
Why not?
It's just the way it is.
Depends on the job. If it did not REQUIRE a masters level of applicant I'd pass.
Why? Because most of the time the over educated employee will become a problem child with thinking that they are "better" than the position they are in.
Seen it happen too many times. With today's economy (and in the future) this situation will become the norm. Americans make/want too much $$ for the same job someone else in the world will do for less.
Originally Posted By: Bryanccfshr
All that being said I wish more young people would consider that there is more to life than lifetime earnings. If you work in a field you do not seriously enjoy it is an imprisonment with the chains being a good income. Money, material possessions, nice homes cannot replace the 8-12 hours a day you will toil at your tasks.
Most of your waking hours of your life are at work. It's best if you can get some satisfaction and enjoyment from the work and not simply an income.
It's not just the young people. A lot of people get into the "got to have" or "I deserve" mindset and between that and wasting $$ they should have saved we have a LOT of "unhappy" folks out there.
But I agree with you! Money is not everything. And your job also is not everything. Get into something that allows you to enjoy your life.
Take care, bill
If I was hiring, and there was a surplus of applicants, I certainly would zero in on those with Master's Degrees.
Why not?
It's just the way it is.
Depends on the job. If it did not REQUIRE a masters level of applicant I'd pass.
Why? Because most of the time the over educated employee will become a problem child with thinking that they are "better" than the position they are in.
Seen it happen too many times. With today's economy (and in the future) this situation will become the norm. Americans make/want too much $$ for the same job someone else in the world will do for less.
Originally Posted By: Bryanccfshr
All that being said I wish more young people would consider that there is more to life than lifetime earnings. If you work in a field you do not seriously enjoy it is an imprisonment with the chains being a good income. Money, material possessions, nice homes cannot replace the 8-12 hours a day you will toil at your tasks.
Most of your waking hours of your life are at work. It's best if you can get some satisfaction and enjoyment from the work and not simply an income.
It's not just the young people. A lot of people get into the "got to have" or "I deserve" mindset and between that and wasting $$ they should have saved we have a LOT of "unhappy" folks out there.
But I agree with you! Money is not everything. And your job also is not everything. Get into something that allows you to enjoy your life.
Take care, bill
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
If I was hiring, and there was a surplus of applicants, I certainly would zero in on those with Master's Degrees.
Why not?
It's just the way it is.
Depends on the job. If it did not REQUIRE a masters level of applicant I'd pass.
Why? Because most of the time the over educated employee will become a problem child with thinking that they are "better" than the position they are in.
Take care, bill
I generally avoided hiring overqualified people too...a less snarky
way of saying what you did is that when they get an opportunity that really uses their education they will leave and take that job. And your effort and time getting them hired and up to speed will be down the toilet.
I violated that rule a couple of times when I was pretty sure I would have a job for them that fit their abilities within a few months, or that there would be other openings in the company before long that they would fit. A job applicant had to be really good for me to take that chance though.
Originally Posted By: mechtech2
If I was hiring, and there was a surplus of applicants, I certainly would zero in on those with Master's Degrees.
Why not?
It's just the way it is.
Depends on the job. If it did not REQUIRE a masters level of applicant I'd pass.
Why? Because most of the time the over educated employee will become a problem child with thinking that they are "better" than the position they are in.
Take care, bill
I generally avoided hiring overqualified people too...a less snarky
I violated that rule a couple of times when I was pretty sure I would have a job for them that fit their abilities within a few months, or that there would be other openings in the company before long that they would fit. A job applicant had to be really good for me to take that chance though.
Well, I guess I wouldn't expect a bunch of oil changers to be knowledgable on education, or else you wouldn't be knocking Associate Degrees much less higher education. A four year college degree is the BARE MINIMUM needed today to survive. Where I work, Masters Degrees are the norm, and we have PhD's in engineering in entry level jobs. A high school degree won't get you further than McDonalds, and even then, ambitious, college-bound kids will kick your butt slinging burgers. I went to community college and got my Associate Degree, then I spent another three years getting a Masters Degree in Mechanical Engineering. I would have never graduated from college had I not started in community college, as there was too much diversions at the university level, mainly drinking and partying, that would have caused me to flunk out if I had started to a major university fresh out of high school. I have the highest regards for community college and never fail to recommend it as a starting point for one's higher education.
Some of the biggest idiots I've ever hired were quite well educated. That paper gives you some indication of a potential employee's usefulness or intelligence, but it is far from everything.
Originally Posted By: Popinski
I've been working in the factories and my friends convinced me to go back to school and get a degree. They claim that a person with an Associate's degree make more money than a person with a High School diploma...
BOLOGNA!!!
After 3 years of hard work, I earned my Associate's a couple months ago. No one gives a rat's butt about an Associate's. Every employer treat an Associate's the same as a High School diploma. It's like I wasted my time in school. Now I'm broke because of school and I only can get a job that only requires a high school diploma. Screw this, I'll work in the factories and office for the rest of my life.
The job market is not that good!!!!
I've been working in the factories and my friends convinced me to go back to school and get a degree. They claim that a person with an Associate's degree make more money than a person with a High School diploma...
BOLOGNA!!!
After 3 years of hard work, I earned my Associate's a couple months ago. No one gives a rat's butt about an Associate's. Every employer treat an Associate's the same as a High School diploma. It's like I wasted my time in school. Now I'm broke because of school and I only can get a job that only requires a high school diploma. Screw this, I'll work in the factories and office for the rest of my life.
The job market is not that good!!!!
Originally Posted By: Ike_Clanton
Some of the biggest idiots I've ever hired were quite well educated.
What about the idiot that hired them?
J/K , I have been had too.
Some of the biggest idiots I've ever hired were quite well educated.
What about the idiot that hired them?
J/K , I have been had too.
Originally Posted By: XS650
Originally Posted By: Ike_Clanton
Some of the biggest idiots I've ever hired were quite well educated.
What about the idiot that hired them?
J/K , I have been had too.
Oh, believe me, there was vast amounts of introspection after a few!
Originally Posted By: Ike_Clanton
Some of the biggest idiots I've ever hired were quite well educated.
What about the idiot that hired them?
J/K , I have been had too.
Oh, believe me, there was vast amounts of introspection after a few!
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