High Performance Lubricants Engine Cleaner

[nicholas]

Could be an idea. I have a “low-SAPS” HDEO in it now(Rotella T6 MV 5W-30, Detroit Diesel 93K222/218 and Mercedes 228.51 approved) so the benefits might be moot.

I have also been reading that Mobil 1 high mileage has some very good cleaning properties in it.
To clean varnish, sludge and ring packs.
I am trying it on a 2015 odyssey that seems quite gummed up from dealer changes and honda VCM system, which is awful btw.
Canada - - the HP cleaning stuff is way to costly to get it shipped here.
Otherwise I would be all over it.

 

[Slow Car Sport Mode]

I have been debating getting a Used Oil Analysis done.

 

[TiGeo]

I have been debating getting a Used Oil Analysis done.

splurge - it's $30

 

[Slow Car Sport Mode]

splurge - it's $30

Blackstone or somewhere else

 

[PimTac]

Blackstone or somewhere else

Yes.

 

[Trav]

I just got a bottle yesterday, my good friend Falcon LS had it sent to me along with a roll of presidential toilet paper for my birthday, big thanks brother.
I have an engine I want to try this in come spring. The engine I am running for the winter is a total rebuild and spotless with 250 miles on it and still breaking it in.

 

[RDY4WAR]

I can't stand Blackstone. Polaris (Amsoil) is cheaper, quicker turn around, and includes TBN, oxidation, and nitration. The oxidation would be a good one to have anyway since this cleaner is ester-based.

 

[Slow Car Sport Mode]

Yes.

I can't stand Blackstone. Polaris (Amsoil) is cheaper, quicker turn around, and includes TBN, oxidation, and nitration. The oxidation would be a good one to have anyway since this cleaner is ester-based.

Maybe I'll use them, then.

Getting the oil out of my car is easy.

 

[ad244]

Blackstone or somewhere else

Are you this indecisive in your personal life?

 

[Slow Car Sport Mode]

Are you this indecisive in your personal life?

? I was asking the best company to use for the analysis. If a fellow member cannot stand Blackstone, then I will go with that sentiment and check out Polaris.

I've decided that it would be, at least, interesting to see what the used oil analysis turns up, on what should be the first residual oil change and then ~1200 miles after fresh oil and filter after the EC product and oil left the crankcase. Nothing but pure oil, no additives. I may also set aside that filter to send or get to 53' Stude. These are all likely scenarios.

I only wish there is some kind of informative inference from the results of the sample, we don't have a point of reference of before, only after.. starting from an unknown, adding a bunch of additives, then using EC, changing the oil about every 5000 miles, now promising results from the anaysis that hasn't happened yet.

I do not believe this to be indecision. More indicative of planning.

 

[Slow Car Sport Mode]

Let us ask this.. if there was a used oil analysis done, on oil removed after High Performance Lubricants EC product was used. What would we be expecting to see, on said lab result, analysis of oil? An increase in one area or another? And, if so, why?

If the results are essentially meaningless due to not having a point of reference of before, then maybe I will re-think the relevance to this thread, since this thread is about the engine cleaner.

 

[TiGeo]

Let us ask this.. if there was a used oil analysis done, on oil removed after High Performance Lubricants EC product was used. What would we be expecting to see, on said lab result, analysis of oil? An increase in one area or another? And, if so, why?

If the results are essentially meaningless due to not having a point of reference of before, then maybe I will re-think the relevance to this thread, since this thread is about the engine cleaner.

I did a UOA (Blackstone) on a before/after LM engine flush a while back - showed zero beyond the decrease in viscosity from the addition of the product itself. Maybe this will be different? Who knows. It's interesting none-the-less. Folks want concrete data on everything (as do I!) but sometimes you just accept things without it and do things to your car b/c "you want to and f everyone else".

 

[kschachn]

I'm not sure what UOA parameters one would use a surrogate for "cleaning". Even if you did have some sort of secondary indicator, what were the values before you started and what are you looking for afterwards? What "improvement" is significant?

UOA give a snapshot of mostly metallic atoms at one point in time. Engine "cleanliness" is such a vague goal without a visual determination, I'll bet in this case (as is nearly always the case) no one even knows how "dirty" the engine was to start with. Therefore no one knows if it did anything either, and looking for a $30 spectrographic analysis to quantitatively determine such a value seems like yet another stretch.

People are forever ascribing wild and unsubstantiated importance to a UOA and I'm going to guess this is another instance.

 

[TiGeo]

As it's somewhat related and if anyone is interested...here were my LM flush before/after results and Blackstone's commentary. It's the 2 furthest left columns.

 

[short]

Will you be personally driving the sample to Blackstone and Polaris?

 

[TiGeo]

Will you be personally driving the sample to Blackstone and Polaris?

If so I'll need the route map/live sat tracking.

 

[MolaKule]

I'm not sure what UOA parameters one would use a surrogate for "cleaning". Even if you did have some sort of secondary indicator, what were the values before you started and what are you looking for afterwards? What "improvement" is significant?

UOA give a snapshot of mostly metallic atoms at one point in time. Engine "cleanliness" is such a vague goal without a visual determination, I'll bet in this case (as is nearly always the case) no one even knows how "dirty" the engine was to start with. Therefore no one knows if it did anything either, and looking for a $30 spectrographic analysis to quantitatively determine such a value seems like yet another stretch.

People are forever ascribing wild and unsubstantiated importance to a UOA and I'm going to guess this is another instance.

I don't think a VOA or UOA will tell you anything about the cleaning unless maybe a particulate count is done and I am not even sure that would be conclusive.

My only indication of what I thought was cleaning was a visual observation in which it appeared there was some thick hydrocarbons being picked up and dispersed in the oil, and the difference between a usual filter dump and the "after" filter dump. The "after" filter dump had oil the consistency of 140 Grade gear oil and was much, much darker than usual. I should have taken pictures but....

 

[4WD]

I don't think a VOA or UOA will tell you anything about the cleaning unless maybe a particulate count is done and I am not even sure that would be conclusive.

My only indication of what I thought was cleaning was a visual observation in which it appeared there was some thick hydrocarbons being picked up and dispersed in the oil, and the difference between a usual filter dump and the "after" filter dump. The "after" filter dump had oil the consistency of 140 Grade gear oil and was much, much darker than usual. I should have taken pictures but....

I have drained a few samples into white mixing bowls - you can rock it up the side like you might do wine.
Look at what’s on bottom etc … Certainly have seen both metal and carbon that way …

 

[High Performance Lubricants]

I'm not sure what UOA parameters one would use a surrogate for "cleaning". Even if you did have some sort of secondary indicator, what were the values before you started and what are you looking for afterwards? What "improvement" is significant?

UOA give a snapshot of mostly metallic atoms at one point in time. Engine "cleanliness" is such a vague goal without a visual determination, I'll bet in this case (as is nearly always the case) no one even knows how "dirty" the engine was to start with. Therefore no one knows if it did anything either, and looking for a $30 spectrographic analysis to quantitatively determine such a value seems like yet another stretch.

People are forever ascribing wild and unsubstantiated importance to a UOA and I'm going to guess this is another instance.

I would certainly not expect there is anything absolute you can hang your hat on. If you had a reference sample as soon as the cleaner we would look for some things based on what we would expect out of the deposits. The deposits can put a dent in TBN, deposits can contain wear metals the would result as a quick increase of wear but rather would be material released back in suspension. And of course general increase in sludgy nature of the oil such as Mr Mola has seen. The converse TIGeo, he is seeing clean oil and not a lot of difference. Esters clean. The fact that his remains clean is certainly an indication that his hot rod is pretty clean already.

David

 

[Slow Car Sport Mode]

Will you be personally driving the sample to Blackstone and Polaris?

No.