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Doesn't matter dino/synthetic!
Doesn't matter dino/synthetic!
High mileage stories using 5W-20
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I put 125,000 miles on my 2004 3.0 Ranger before trading it in 2 weeks ago. I used PYB 5w20 most of the time. Truck never used any oil. I realize that is not a lot of miles in todays world.
If the person who buys it changes oil every 4,500 miles it should last a long time. There is nothing wrong with 5w20.
If the person who buys it changes oil every 4,500 miles it should last a long time. There is nothing wrong with 5w20.
my 1997 ranger has 123,500 on the clock and has been fed a diet of motorcraft 5W-20 the last several years.
The conatractor I used to work for had an E-250 work van with 330,000 miles on it. I believe it had been on 5W-20 all its life.
It was still running good when we swiped the body off it to weld onto a low mileage E-250 that had been rolled.
It was still running good when we swiped the body off it to weld onto a low mileage E-250 that had been rolled.
Here comes the thin crowd!
I have a 2001 Civic that's up to 84000 miles, a 2005 CR-V with 56000 miles, and a 2008 Ridgeline with 15000 miles all running 5W-20 their whole lives and even the civic runs exactly like new. While those may not be real high mileage they're the only vehicles i've ever owned that speced 5w-20 and that's what i've been running in them.
The fact is the 20wt oils have been around a long time but have only been recommended in the past 10 years or so. Ford started the wave and others are following. So for every high mile 20wt story you have there will probably be 10 HM stories for 30 wt oil. Give it time the 20wt stories will be piling in in a few more years.
Yea Cafe played into it, but I don't see the internet over-flowing with complaints about 20 wt oil. Most of the negatives I see are opinions, no hard cold facts. There was my opinion. I follow the mfg suggested oil recommendation.
Yea Cafe played into it, but I don't see the internet over-flowing with complaints about 20 wt oil. Most of the negatives I see are opinions, no hard cold facts. There was my opinion. I follow the mfg suggested oil recommendation.
1994 APV 3.1 litre severe service tow vehicle, I have reported on this vehicle several times. Tows 5,000 lbs 4 days a week, often long distances, now has 265K miles using Mobil 1 0W20 and 20K oil changes. Engine still seems like new does not burn or leak oil
1994 Commuter Escort, same miles, (no towing!) same oil,
motor also like new.
I also expect that as more people move to these oils we will discover that the manufacturers are not wrong!
1994 Commuter Escort, same miles, (no towing!) same oil,
motor also like new.
I also expect that as more people move to these oils we will discover that the manufacturers are not wrong!
I agree. I have no reservations about 0w20 and 5w20 providing excellent protection and long life. We have fleets of Ford Trucks working hard in severe environments going many miles with no engine issues at all.
Originally Posted By: ADFD1
The fact is the 20wt oils have been around a long time but have only been recommended in the past 10 years or so. Ford started the wave and others are following. So for every high mile 20wt story you have there will probably be 10 HM stories for 30 wt oil. Give it time the 20wt stories will be piling in in a few more years.
Yea Cafe played into it, but I don't see the internet over-flowing with complaints about 20 wt oil. Most of the negatives I see are opinions, no hard cold facts. There was my opinion. I follow the mfg suggested oil recommendation.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the 20wt from many years ago was a straight 20. I'm not talking about Ford and Honda of the 90s, I'm talking before that.
I think the saving grace of most 20wts is they have to have a good base oil. If it were possible, I would love to see what a grp I and II 20wt would do in an engine.
The fact is the 20wt oils have been around a long time but have only been recommended in the past 10 years or so. Ford started the wave and others are following. So for every high mile 20wt story you have there will probably be 10 HM stories for 30 wt oil. Give it time the 20wt stories will be piling in in a few more years.
Yea Cafe played into it, but I don't see the internet over-flowing with complaints about 20 wt oil. Most of the negatives I see are opinions, no hard cold facts. There was my opinion. I follow the mfg suggested oil recommendation.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the 20wt from many years ago was a straight 20. I'm not talking about Ford and Honda of the 90s, I'm talking before that.
I think the saving grace of most 20wts is they have to have a good base oil. If it were possible, I would love to see what a grp I and II 20wt would do in an engine.
Originally Posted By: BuickGN
I think the saving grace of most 20wts is they have to have a good base oil.
IMHO, the narrow range of 5w-20 can be done well with using fewer different base stocks and in the case of sythetics, without viscosity improvers.
I wonder if thinner oil needs less detergents added due to better flow over parts. Also, if they can use less detergents do they need less antiwear additives that compete for surfaces?
I think the saving grace of most 20wts is they have to have a good base oil.
IMHO, the narrow range of 5w-20 can be done well with using fewer different base stocks and in the case of sythetics, without viscosity improvers.
I wonder if thinner oil needs less detergents added due to better flow over parts. Also, if they can use less detergents do they need less antiwear additives that compete for surfaces?
Originally Posted By: BuickGN
Originally Posted By: ADFD1
The fact is the 20wt oils have been around a long time but have only been recommended in the past 10 years or so. Ford started the wave and others are following. So for every high mile 20wt story you have there will probably be 10 HM stories for 30 wt oil. Give it time the 20wt stories will be piling in in a few more years.
Yea Cafe played into it, but I don't see the internet over-flowing with complaints about 20 wt oil. Most of the negatives I see are opinions, no hard cold facts. There was my opinion. I follow the mfg suggested oil recommendation.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the 20wt from many years ago was a straight 20. I'm not talking about Ford and Honda of the 90s, I'm talking before that.
I think the saving grace of most 20wts is they have to have a good base oil. If it were possible, I would love to see what a grp I and II 20wt would do in an engine.
5W-20 was one of the very first multi-grade oils, along with 10W-30. Came out in about 1954.
Originally Posted By: ADFD1
The fact is the 20wt oils have been around a long time but have only been recommended in the past 10 years or so. Ford started the wave and others are following. So for every high mile 20wt story you have there will probably be 10 HM stories for 30 wt oil. Give it time the 20wt stories will be piling in in a few more years.
Yea Cafe played into it, but I don't see the internet over-flowing with complaints about 20 wt oil. Most of the negatives I see are opinions, no hard cold facts. There was my opinion. I follow the mfg suggested oil recommendation.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the 20wt from many years ago was a straight 20. I'm not talking about Ford and Honda of the 90s, I'm talking before that.
I think the saving grace of most 20wts is they have to have a good base oil. If it were possible, I would love to see what a grp I and II 20wt would do in an engine.
5W-20 was one of the very first multi-grade oils, along with 10W-30. Came out in about 1954.
Originally Posted By: addyguy
Originally Posted By: BuickGN
Originally Posted By: ADFD1
The fact is the 20wt oils have been around a long time but have only been recommended in the past 10 years or so. Ford started the wave and others are following. So for every high mile 20wt story you have there will probably be 10 HM stories for 30 wt oil. Give it time the 20wt stories will be piling in in a few more years.
Yea Cafe played into it, but I don't see the internet over-flowing with complaints about 20 wt oil. Most of the negatives I see are opinions, no hard cold facts. There was my opinion. I follow the mfg suggested oil recommendation.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the 20wt from many years ago was a straight 20. I'm not talking about Ford and Honda of the 90s, I'm talking before that.
I think the saving grace of most 20wts is they have to have a good base oil. If it were possible, I would love to see what a grp I and II 20wt would do in an engine.
5W-20 was one of the very first multi-grade oils, along with 10W-30. Came out in about 1954.
That's an interesting historical footnote, but let's be real: anyone reading this forum knows that prior to 5-7 years ago, there was no widespread use or availability of 5W20, and it wasn't FF and recommended by major manufacturers.
To suggest that the limited 'high mileage stories' is due to anything besides this fact is just plain silliness.
Originally Posted By: BuickGN
Originally Posted By: ADFD1
The fact is the 20wt oils have been around a long time but have only been recommended in the past 10 years or so. Ford started the wave and others are following. So for every high mile 20wt story you have there will probably be 10 HM stories for 30 wt oil. Give it time the 20wt stories will be piling in in a few more years.
Yea Cafe played into it, but I don't see the internet over-flowing with complaints about 20 wt oil. Most of the negatives I see are opinions, no hard cold facts. There was my opinion. I follow the mfg suggested oil recommendation.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the 20wt from many years ago was a straight 20. I'm not talking about Ford and Honda of the 90s, I'm talking before that.
I think the saving grace of most 20wts is they have to have a good base oil. If it were possible, I would love to see what a grp I and II 20wt would do in an engine.
5W-20 was one of the very first multi-grade oils, along with 10W-30. Came out in about 1954.
That's an interesting historical footnote, but let's be real: anyone reading this forum knows that prior to 5-7 years ago, there was no widespread use or availability of 5W20, and it wasn't FF and recommended by major manufacturers.
To suggest that the limited 'high mileage stories' is due to anything besides this fact is just plain silliness.
Originally Posted By: fsskier
now has 265K miles using Mobil 1 0W20 and 20K oil changes.
Im curious.
Do you change the filter in between? And if not, does it seem to be limiting flow towards the end of the OCI? And last, have you cut one open?
now has 265K miles using Mobil 1 0W20 and 20K oil changes.
Im curious.
Do you change the filter in between? And if not, does it seem to be limiting flow towards the end of the OCI? And last, have you cut one open?
130+K on an 01 Civic EX purchased new. Seen only 5w20 dino, mostly Motorcraft syn blend, but now whatever name brand is on sale. Currently Quaker State Conventional, still running strong. Even has original tranny with no issues. (knock wood lol)
Partial to MC syn blend because it was the easiest 5w20 to find, value priced in jugs at Wally back in the early 2000's when Honda/Ford began to spec it.
Partial to MC syn blend because it was the easiest 5w20 to find, value priced in jugs at Wally back in the early 2000's when Honda/Ford began to spec it.
What are we talking about--a typical minimum bearing oil film thickness under piston firing load of .000047" for 20 weight vs .000054" for 30 weight? Not all that much difference.
I run 5W-20 because I would like to keep the warranty intact.
Might switch later but I'm not worried about the 20 weight.
I run 5W-20 because I would like to keep the warranty intact.
Might switch later but I'm not worried about the 20 weight.
Well-in these days of smaller & smaller engines, utilizing direct injection, running hotter to try to get MPGs higher-5W20 DEFINITELY bears watching!! IMHO, it better have a high HTHS value, or it would be risky to use in anything that's worked hard or has high HP ratings. I may be wrong-quality synthetic 5-20 might be fine-but I'd never risk it in a diesel.
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