Helping my parents get a Tesla

Also, my parents prefer a longer battery life and it sounds like a 90% charge level will work for them with pretty much only short trips.
If they are charging nightly, battery life should be a non issue for them…even at 80%.
 
Set it and forget it at recommended 80% and see what transpires. Even if it the car has half its listed range it likely will cover 95% of driving use case for them and work great if they charge daily at night….
 
Well, if that is what he buys, roll with it. I would get a charging station set up in his garage asap. If they do not drive much, a 120v charger may work fine. Set the max charge to 90% and tell him to plug it in every night. And I would teach a little at a time, only just enough so he can drive it, and build from there.
 
My dad got back from his test drive. He said it was really for my mom, but they had some issue with the mirrors, she didn't end up driving, and my dad ended up driving one for the first time. He said he got used to it pretty quickly, although I think they had an employee with them to do some hand holding. He wants me to maybe set up an appointment for my mom to drive and go with her tomorrow (which is a holiday).

I didn't really check the list of locations carefully, and Tesla apparently has a store in Emeryville, California, so that would have been an option for us. No big deal though, since the drive to Walnut Creek was pretty nice and we went out for lunch at place I like nearby.
 
My dad got back from his test drive. He said it was really for my mom, but they had some issue with the mirrors, she didn't end up driving, and my dad ended up driving one for the first time. He said he got used to it pretty quickly, although I think they had an employee with them to do some hand holding. He wants me to maybe set up an appointment for my mom to drive and go with her tomorrow (which is a holiday).

I didn't really check the list of locations carefully, and Tesla apparently has a store in Emeryville, California, so that would have been an option for us. No big deal though, since the drive to Walnut Creek was pretty nice and we went out for lunch at place I like nearby.
Not sure where you live, but the Sunnyvale and Palo Alto stores are great.
There are also stores in Santana Row and Stanford Shopping Center but thos are in big malls.
 
Not sure where you live, but the Sunnyvale and Palo Alto stores are great.
There are also stores in Santana Row and Stanford Shopping Center but thos are in big malls.

They tend to be in upscale malls. Bay Street in Emeryville. Santana Row in San Jose. The Village in Corte Madera. Broadway Plaza in Walnut Creek.

But they're picking it up in Vallejo. I know the area and it's a combination store and service center that was previously a Jeep dealer. It's not a small storefront in a mall but actually looks like a car dealership since it was previously a traditional car dealer. I think with the amount of parking/storage space they have there, they use it also as a delivery location.

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only read to post #16 which sez it all -
"jus sed id'n fagedid" is a possibility, no?
They go less than 15 mi in it... daily? So no big deal.
They can have what the model3 brings but not have to worry, struggle, etc.
Set it up 4 him, refuse to visit for a wk and come back to answ Qs and do fine tuning?
 
The other thing is that they live on a hill (at about 1000 ft elevation) and maybe 90% of the time they’ll be going downhill immediately at the beginning of each trip. Not sure how the regenerative braking works if it’s at the maximum set charge. Maybe set it for less than a target and then adjust? Like set it to 85% when they get home but 90% before they leave?

I guess the question I’m asking is that if it’s set for 90% charge level and it’s going downhill, will regenerative braking take it over 90% or will it prevent it from charging the battery and maybe require more use of the friction brakes?

Also, my parents prefer a longer battery life and it sounds like a 90% charge level will work for them with pretty much only short trips.

There are 2 ways to approach this:

1) To save money and maximize battery life: you probably can charge it to 60% at home then just let gravity charge it for you, and you get to 80% when you are at sea level. On your way home you probably should charge to 80% before leaving and arrive home at 30%. Too much math to save a few bucks to me, and if your parents are retired they likely won't wear out the battery much anyways before they need another car (this may even be the last car they need in their lives if they don't need more than 100 miles 25 years down the road).

2) To maximize range: you charge it to 80% at home and leave, you will likely waste the energy once the battery charged too much and refuse to accept any more charging from regen braking. You will be riding the brake going down hill like any other car, or waste them as heat in the radiator after some sort of electronics wasting it to slow the car down (looping through inverters and waste them as heat, think of it as EV engine braking). It will be easier on old people, you are likely not going to waste more than a couple dollars here and there, less chances of making mistakes and have to waste time charging on the road by keeping things consistent.

I'd do 2) if my wife (45) drives it, but if I'm single and below 60, I might do 1) just for fun as a challenge, like how Prius drivers hypermile.

Come to think of it, your parents might be ok buying a used Leaf for grocery stores and use a gas car for longish trip. I am actually thinking about getting a $3k Leaf with only 40 miles range locally and let my daughter drive herself to school when she reaches driving age. Can't run away too far if the battery is small, keep her from getting too much into trouble.
 
I didn’t look too carefully and see that what they have in Emeryville, but now I see it’s just a self service demo at the back of a hotel building. Not sure how that works other than showing up and getting access to vehicle parked in back. I tried making a reservation and then hoped to add my mom, but I’m not sure that’s possible, so I canceled. But the confirmation I got before I cancelled said there would be remote advisors available, I guess through video.

I just made a separate reservation for Corte Madera. Looks like a nice day for a drive in Marin County.
 
Parents can be real quirky in their car buying habits. When I was in h.s. and had a driver's license but no car, I desperately wanted an MGB even worse than a prom date with the homecoming queen. My father sensing my feverish adolescent angst said he was going to buy himself a two seat English convertible. I was euphoric. A Triumph for sure, maybe an MGB or even a Jag. Well he was a man of his word, he drove home in a Nash Metro convertible, two tone of course, white wall bias ply tires. My balloon burst. I did drive it frequently and flogged it dearly but that Metro was indefatigable, never flinched at even the most excessive of my automotive insults.

Never did get an MGB or a prom date with the homecoming queen.

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I always wanted a bug eyed Sprite or AH 3000. Everybody else wanted muscle cars.
 
I think the whole recharging thing with EV's, (not just Tesla's), has to be experienced and realized over time, in order to be actually understood..... And / or successfully dealt with.

For example, people expect to wait at the doctors office. There is no way around it. But nobody likes it, or ever seems to get used to it. Especially if it drags on well past your appointment time. People have other things to do in life, and a limited amount of time to get them done.

Most of the time with health care and dental appointments, the wait is longer than expected. And it certainly doesn't improve anyone's mood when you are forced to do it.

But again, there is no way around it. (I've switched doctors more than once due to unnecessarily long wait times. For both getting in to see them, as well as being forced to wait well past my appointment time when I do).

With EV's it's different. So yeah, you buy the car in good faith, full well expecting to have to wait in order to recharge it...... At least if you plan to go anywhere in the thing, besides running local errands.

But the idea of having to sit around for at least 45 minutes to an hour, after you wait to plug it in, all the while seeing people pull into the gas station across the street, and fill up and leave in 5 minutes, isn't going to sit well with him. In fact I'm willing to bet that he'll find it downright aggravating the first time he actually has to do it.

Especially if it's raining, freezing cold, or if there is ANY kind of inclimate weather involved. And you have to remember, not all these things are directly across the street from somewhere you can go and waste 45 minutes to an hour while your battery recharges.

And I can all but guarantee you, it will irritate someone with limited patience like your dad, even more. I would try to find somewhere that rents these things, and get him to try one for a month or 2. And do some serious driving with it. Before taking the financial plunge and sinking hard earned money into one.

Right now EV's are simply too restrictive to directly compete with the ICE vehicles he has become used to driving his entire life...... And take 5 minutes to fill up.
But...but...but on tv they show you just plug it in. And you smile while plugging it in. lol
 
But...but...but on tv they show you just plug it in. And you smile while plugging it in. lol

Yeah. At home.

This is where my parents usually get gas - Costco in Richmond, California. The real pain is the bottleneck to get in. And it's different with only two pumps on the far right which were added later.

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Yeah. At home.

This is where my parents usually get gas - Costco in Richmond, California. The real pain is the bottleneck to get in. And it's different with only two pumps on the far right which were added later.

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I think it's time for you to start working on the L2 charging option at home....stat.
 
Yeah. At home.

This is where my parents usually get gas - Costco in Richmond, California. The real pain is the bottleneck to get in. And it's different with only two pumps on the far right which were added later.

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Most Costco gas stations I've been to have terrible entrance layouts. I guess they are cramming them in wherever they can.
 
I always wanted a bug eyed Sprite or AH 3000. Everybody else wanted muscle cars.
Ditto. My first car was a bug eye sprite. White, almost exactly just like this one. Don't think I ever had another car that ever invaded my soul like the Sprite. My brother had an early AH 3000. It wa always draggin' its muffler.

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Ditto. My first car was a bug eye sprite. White, almost exactly just like this one. Don't think I ever had another car that ever invaded my soul like the Sprite. My brother had an early AH 3000. It wa always draggin' its muffler.

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Nice Sprite. My brother got a green one for $400 back in the day. A friend had an AH 3000 with a Chev 327. Yup. Love those cars.
 
Yeah. At home.

This is where my parents usually get gas - Costco in Richmond, California. The real pain is the bottleneck to get in. And it's different with only two pumps on the far right which were added later.

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Note that the gasoline tanker is in the backup.
 
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