help with higher end sedans buying decision

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Originally Posted By: rudolphna
Originally Posted By: CivicFan
Originally Posted By: rudolphna
You get that with dealers for every automaker.


Not quite true. There are certain brands whose philosophy revolves around customer service.


And which brand are you talking about? Because it certainly isn't any that I know of. Not Ford, not Honda, not GM, not Chrysler, certainly not Toyota.


Jaguar.
 
Originally Posted By: Burt
Okay, so my last child is graduating from college and I am thinkng of redirecting(some of)the money that used to go there into a nice sedan. I was going to buy a used BMW from a private party off craigslist, but the supply of late model used cars seems to have dried up. And new BMW's seem overpriced by the time you add options.

At first I thought a loaded Maxima was the ticket. With a list price of $39k, they are discounting the heck out of them to $31.5. Then I looked at the Acura TL, Infiniti G37 and H. Genesis and the Maxima looked a little cheap. They all list in the $39 range except the Infiniti is about $3 more. Not as bad as I would have thought, but I don't think they will discount as much. Genesis is a little too sedate. TL is crisp and spiffy, but only a 5 spd transmission and no cooled seat option. Seems like they were behind the ball on latest technology. G37 is well built but styling is just not that exciting. I like that the 7 sp transmission has upped the gas mileage above the others . Older models had poor MPG.

Any thoughts on what I should buy? Normally I keep a car until death do we part. And I like to work on them myself.

Hope it's not too late to weigh in here.

From what I've seen of people in similar situations, this often comes down to their attitude toward driving.

If driving is something you have to do, but you kind of want to enjoy doing it, the 3-series and G37 probably will not make much sense for you. The other cars on your list will be PLENTY entertaining, should be cheaper to buy and run, and will almost definitely ride more softly. For all practical purposes, they will also be just as fast in real-world conditions.

If you love driving in and of itself, or appreciate serious dynamic engineering, it will be exactly the other way around, and probably even more so. After you spend some real time with them, the 3-series and G37 will be the only cars still on the map, and you might even wonder why you were even considering the other cars.

It's important to remember that none of those cars is really "better" than any other. It's all about suitability, i.e. which one matches your tastes. Figure that out, and then go price hunting.
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How about a 2010 Lexus GS 350? I hear that a redesigned RL should be coming out in the fall and it should be great. I have a 2009 TL and yes the transmission leaves a lot to be desired and is underpowered. For 2010 the TL is also offered in a 6 speed manual which is a blast to drive. Cant do much about the cooled seats and its a shame on Acura/Honda.
 
The designers of the newest Acuras must have been smoking something when they designed them. The only decent looking one is the TSX. And just maybe the MDX.
 
Originally Posted By: asiancivicmaniac
The designers of the newest Acuras must have been smoking something when they designed them. The only decent looking one is the TSX. And just maybe the MDX.


I would agree but I have had more compliments on the TL than any other cars I have owned. Go figure.
 
The TL looks better in some colors than others. IMO the light silver and black makes it look okay. Acura's charcoal/graphite color, which I normally like on cars, doesn't seem to work. One things is for sure, the photo retouchers for Acura know how to make them look good on the website.
 
Originally Posted By: asiancivicmaniac
The designers of the newest Acuras must have been smoking something when they designed them. The only decent looking one is the TSX. And just maybe the MDX.


Was considering a TL but as soon as the new design came out, my wife and I cross that off the list without even going in to see the car in person. Too bad, if they have the reliability of the newer one and the design of the 2004-2007, it would be a winner.
 
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Originally Posted By: asiancivicmaniac
The designers of the newest Acuras must have been smoking something when they designed them. The only decent looking one is the TSX. And just maybe the MDX.


Was considering a TL but as soon as the new design came out, my wife and I cross that off the list without even going in to see the car in person. Too bad, if they have the reliability of the newer one and the design of the 2004-2007, it would be a winner.

guy I work with just finished his lease on the previous generation TL, it was a type-S. nice enough car, but kind of sterile.
he said he couldn't decide what to get next, but he is an acura guy now. couldn't bring himself to get the new TL, just too ugly, so he got a TSX.
I suggested a Mazda6 (of course) but he didn't like the RX-8 type wheel arches.
 
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