Redline 40wt 50wt and the rest wt race oil from them I think they have 1200ppm molyHello fellow enthusiasts! Been a lurker for years and really appreciate members generosity in posting VOA/used oil analysis. I've learned a lot from this site over the years and would like to lean on the knowledge of others here as well as give back where I can. When I do oil testing I will share it.
I'm looking for what some consider the best "racing" oil for a new dirt bike I just ordered (Beta 430). Stout HTHS, high levels of zddp, moly, etc. This bike has no emissions and a split case design so engine oil is separate from the clutch. Therefore I can use an oil with more friction modifiers than the typical JASO MA oils that I've used the past 30+ years.
The recommended oil is Liqui Moly offroad 10w-50 which has a kv of 124 and 18.5 at 40/100c. As recent as 2021 it was Motul 7100 10w-40 that is 86 and 13.2. No differences in the engines AFAIK.
I completely understand these oils or ones I have used in the past (t6 15w40, castrol 4t) etc will be ok. I just believe without the JASO MA wet clutch restrictions I can do better. What say you?
I've been looking into oils such as...
Schaeffers 9001 5w-50
Redline 40wt, 50wt
Mobil 1 racing 0w-50
Mobil 1 15w50 (cheap, at walmart but not much higher zddp, moly)
Eneos 10w-50
Royal Purple XPR 5w-50
Amsoil dominator 10w-40, 15w-50
Driven, Penrite, etc
Preferably something I can buy locally or order from an auto parts store, amazon, etc. Also, drain intervals are 30hrs and I know some of these oils aren't meant for leaving in very long. 30hrs to me might be in 1 week or 7mo depending on the year. Mix of fast racing and slow trail riding.
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My suggestion is Castrol R. YES, I am joking. But nothing smells better. I remember going to the 12 hours of Sebring in the mid 1960's. I bullshitted my way into getting press passes which allowed me and my friend to get into the pits with my car and a rented camper trailer and right next to the track access, no barrier fence, a shuttle to wave down and move to a new location. Fond memories. LOTS of beer cans accumulating outside of our camper.Hello fellow enthusiasts! Been a lurker for years and really appreciate members generosity in posting VOA/used oil analysis. I've learned a lot from this site over the years and would like to lean on the knowledge of others here as well as give back where I can. When I do oil testing I will share it.
I'm looking for what some consider the best "racing" oil for a new dirt bike I just ordered (Beta 430). Stout HTHS, high levels of zddp, moly, etc. This bike has no emissions and a split case design so engine oil is separate from the clutch. Therefore I can use an oil with more friction modifiers than the typical JASO MA oils that I've used the past 30+ years.
The recommended oil is Liqui Moly offroad 10w-50 which has a kv of 124 and 18.5 at 40/100c. As recent as 2021 it was Motul 7100 10w-40 that is 86 and 13.2. No differences in the engines AFAIK.
I completely understand these oils or ones I have used in the past (t6 15w40, castrol 4t) etc will be ok. I just believe without the JASO MA wet clutch restrictions I can do better. What say you?
I've been looking into oils such as...
Schaeffers 9001 5w-50
Redline 40wt, 50wt
Mobil 1 racing 0w-50
Mobil 1 15w50 (cheap, at walmart but not much higher zddp, moly)
Eneos 10w-50
Royal Purple XPR 5w-50
Amsoil dominator 10w-40, 15w-50
Driven, Penrite, etc
Preferably something I can buy locally or order from an auto parts store, amazon, etc. Also, drain intervals are 30hrs and I know some of these oils aren't meant for leaving in very long. 30hrs to me might be in 1 week or 7mo depending on the year. Mix of fast racing and slow trail riding.
I appreciate the help!View attachment 262637
VR-1 Racing comes in 10w30, SAE 30, SAE 40 and O'Reilly carries all of these in stockMany motorcycles share the engine oil with the clutch so oils marketed as motorcycle oil can't have high levels of moly/friction modifiers. No doubt good oils but just thinking I could find something that protects even better with this bikes engine oil being separate.
Those two you listed are on my list. The 20w50 valvoline I'm a little concerned about flow at lower temps with the 150 kv at 40°c.
The mobil 0w50 is matches the 40 and 100 kv well. HTHS is 3.9, I wonder how well that holds up?
Tech changes over those 25 years, but it can also be very frustrating to sort through many old threads to try and come up with an answer. Sometimes it's just easier to ask.25 years of used oil analysis on this very subject and postings for 21 years...clearly for no reason
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if only there was a way to ... search
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I’ll vote for the mobil 1 15W50Hello fellow enthusiasts! Been a lurker for years and really appreciate members generosity in posting VOA/used oil analysis. I've learned a lot from this site over the years and would like to lean on the knowledge of others here as well as give back where I can. When I do oil testing I will share it.
I'm looking for what some consider the best "racing" oil for a new dirt bike I just ordered (Beta 430). Stout HTHS, high levels of zddp, moly, etc. This bike has no emissions and a split case design so engine oil is separate from the clutch. Therefore I can use an oil with more friction modifiers than the typical JASO MA oils that I've used the past 30+ years.
The recommended oil is Liqui Moly offroad 10w-50 which has a kv of 124 and 18.5 at 40/100c. As recent as 2021 it was Motul 7100 10w-40 that is 86 and 13.2. No differences in the engines AFAIK.
I completely understand these oils or ones I have used in the past (t6 15w40, castrol 4t) etc will be ok. I just believe without the JASO MA wet clutch restrictions I can do better. What say you?
I've been looking into oils such as...
Schaeffers 9001 5w-50
Redline 40wt, 50wt
Mobil 1 racing 0w-50
Mobil 1 15w50 (cheap, at walmart but not much higher zddp, moly)
Eneos 10w-50
Royal Purple XPR 5w-50
Amsoil dominator 10w-40, 15w-50
Driven, Penrite, etc
Preferably something I can buy locally or order from an auto parts store, amazon, etc. Also, drain intervals are 30hrs and I know some of these oils aren't meant for leaving in very long. 30hrs to me might be in 1 week or 7mo depending on the year. Mix of fast racing and slow trail riding.
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This. Oils from those two companies can take an absolute flogging and smile back at you! I have some used oil analysis from both on here out of my ninja 250.Call a reputable blender, such as @High Performance Lubricants, or Amsoil and follow their advice.