Have VSOT, how much to use? Will it thicken up oil

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Hi all..this year, i bought alto of small plastic silver bottles, of VSOT, from my local NAPA.. The directions, say its for 4 to 6 quarts. MY 95 neon uses 4.5 quarts. How much vsot should i in reality use? 75% of the conatiner? All of it?
Will it thikcin up my oil? if so, by how much? I use 5w 30 in winter, 10w 30 summer time.
 
Ah, yes...VSOT. I'd still be using it today if it weren't discontinued. Its a shame, really.
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Yes, VSOT does contain VIIs and it will increase viscosity considerably if used in high concentration. My Volvo has a 4.3qt sump and a single bottle of VSOT would last through 4 ocis.
 
Geesh! just an oz.per quart? I got eh impression, reading the bottles, 1 bottle( i think its like 9 ozs?) was good! WOW, i put an entire bottle in last oil change then: ( sp, what does that mean? I made my 5w 30 oil a 10w 40???
 
A full bottle in a small sump like that could push it up close to a grade. 1 oz per qt would be really all you need. I still have about 15 or so bottles of it. I was using it in the 93 Aerostar and my E-150 from time to time. It is a big help in my brother's boat, VSOT or Schaeffers #132.
 
I see a whole grade wow. Yeah, i ahd read alot about VSOT here, i think the part# was 066 , 069 soemthing like that. SO! My local NAPA can get them all tie time it seems, bring em in form a warehouse somewhere.
[censored]! an entire grade. glad i asked
 
Yes it is thick stuff. My brother was cutting it down for use in his boat with MMO. It was actually a really good combo.

Here is a viscosity calculator you can fool around with.

http://www.rohmax.com/rohmax/en/customerservices/calculationtools/baseoilmixtures/

If you can get the specs on VSOT (search this site they might be burried here) you can play around with the numbers to estimate what viscosity changes you're making to your oil.
 
Originally Posted By: ziggy
Geesh! just an oz.per quart? I got eh impression, reading the bottles, 1 bottle( i think its like 9 ozs?) was good! WOW, i put an entire bottle in last oil change then: ( sp, what does that mean? I made my 5w 30 oil a 10w 40???


Yes. Just 1oz/quart. Mola recommended this way back when. That's not to say he recommended it ..it was more of a precaution not to overdo it.

This is what I found after a 13 month RTS run. It took a double dose of Auto-Rx to stop the moly from leaching in UOA where the oils themselves had no moly.

 
Gary,

Am I understanding that you did a run with 1oz/qt VSOT on a 13 month OCI and it was still showing up in subsequent UOA's? How many UOA's/oil changes? And what type of engine and how large of a sump?

Also, is that filter photo from one of the the Auto-RX treatments? Or after the VSOT run?

Thanks.
 
Old VSOT was loaded with additives - the new stuff is not so hot concerning additives.
Try and figure out what you have.
Because all the new stuff will do is basically thicken the oil.
And it WILL thicken it, if you use a lot.
 
Originally Posted By: Mustang_Cougar
Gary,

Am I understanding that you did a run with 1oz/qt VSOT on a 13 month OCI and it was still showing up in subsequent UOA's? How many UOA's/oil changes? And what type of engine and how large of a sump?

Also, is that filter photo from one of the the Auto-RX treatments? Or after the VSOT run?

Thanks.


No. I used a full bottle (I forget the size bottle) in a 4 quart sump ...more is better, right?
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Anyway, I added it at some point during the two back to back 13month RTS OCIs that I did on my jeep. Terry kept asking me if I had added any moly. I had forgotten at the time but reasoned it just due to having one less bottle of the stuff sitting on the shrine. I believe that I found that in the filter of the 2nd. It hardly showed up on the RTS UOA (not nearly what it would in ppm). THEN when I switched to Bruce's MOLY FREE formula (VOA had ZERO) all of a sudden I'm showing up with 150-250 ppm of moly for 10k over two 5k sumps.
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That's when I decided to see if Auto-Rx would remove it from wherever it had formed its "heel" (industrial term). Obviously Bruce's stuff antagonized the formation. It's also obvious that Auto-Rx liberated it and it's gone now. Something that RTS couldn't keep in suspension or remove. So much for the cleaning ability of HDEO's ..at least compared to Bruce's formula.

So, use it sparingly.
 
So let me see if I understand this.

I'm using a moly oil, and a moly additive regularly (VSOT or Schaffers). If I then do an Auto-RX treatment, is the Auto-RX going to remove the moly that's "coated" or "burnished" or "embedded" into the metal surfaces of my engine?

Or am I just confused about what happened in Gary's case? What, exactly, is the stuff that is in the filter pictures?
 
Good question, I'd want the moly to stay put plated, burnished etc. As a side note the Schaeffers #132 moly add doesn't contain much if any moly. But it is good stuff! It has been discussed here.
 
Originally Posted By: ADFD1
Good question, I'd want the moly to stay put plated, burnished etc. As a side note the Schaeffers #132 moly add doesn't contain much if any moly. But it is good stuff! It has been discussed here.


Yes, I know the 132 doesn't have much moly, but I use both 132 and VSOT, depending on my mood. But my real question remains the same--will AutoRX remove the burnished moly or plated moly from the metal surfaces! If so, I've cleaned my engine, but lost the benefit that moly provides, so I'd then have to replate after an AutoRx treatment! Also, this may have been covered before in another thread--and my intention is NOT to hijack this one--but perhaps one of the resident experts can lift the vapors from my fog of misunderstanding.
 
Originally Posted By: axjohn
So let me see if I understand this.

I'm using a moly oil, and a moly additive regularly (VSOT or Schaffers). If I then do an Auto-RX treatment, is the Auto-RX going to remove the moly that's "coated" or "burnished" or "embedded" into the metal surfaces of my engine?

Or am I just confused about what happened in Gary's case? What, exactly, is the stuff that is in the filter pictures?


The stuff in the images is the VSOT ..which is high in moly. I just had too high a concentration.

There's only so much capacity for moly uptake ..or so I reason.

From "Moly basics"

Engineers and scientists have tried for years to use Moly in motor oils but they had been unsuccessful because they could not find a way to keep Moly in suspension. Once Moly was put into suspension it would gradually settle out. It was easy to see it come out of suspension because a black sludge would collect on the bottom of the oil containers. In engines it would settle to the bottom of the crankcase or clog oil pathways and filters.

Engineers have overcome these obstacles. They have developed a process that keeps Moly in suspension and isn't filtered out. Since that time the product has undergone extensive independent testing in labs and in the field for many years to insure that the product stands up to the rigorous needs of today's engines. With the plating action of Moly reducing friction which reduces heat, this helps keep rings free from carbon buildup, prevents blow-by, decreases emission, and extends oil life.


For all we know VSOT was surplus stock of additives that couldn't be rework and had no useful purpose. Note that they also reduced the total concentration content after a given time frame ...or there just may be simple limits to what is going to stay in suspension over a given duration at a given concentration when there is nowhere else for it to go.

..but if not for how it confounded my testing of the 0w-10 oil that had NO MOLY, I don't see my experience as a bad thing. I don't know of the reactive properties of moly in that I don't know if "spent" moly is a valid state ..much like phos and zinc. That is, if it's still doing its job, I had a 150-200ppm "Moly drip" going on in my engine.

..but it obviously wasn't something that either I or Valvoline envisioned by design or intent. It may have ended up as an unintended, but coincidentally favorable side effect. Again, that assumes that moly ..hmm..what word/term to use
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...potent ..viable ... ...ah-ha! doesn't become chemically inert.
 
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