Has enthusiasm for electric cars waned?

AuthorEditor said:
But, you have to look at the whole system, not just the cars. For example, our home is about 150 years old and we have no garage. We would have to spend close to $10grand just to upgrade the service and wiring into our home before we could even install a proper Level 2 charger. Even then the car would live outdoors through NE winters, sometimes cold soaking at well below zero for many nights. And, then we travel to various places a lot that have no charging infrastructure and likely never will: hiking trails, wild beaches, mountains, etc. Sure, we could charge along the way someplace, but that will add time and logistics to any trip. I have surveyed available charging stations along a route I take a lot and there is really only one in a godforsaken rest area I avoid because it is always over crowded. Same problem if we want to visit my daughter or my son. So, for me an EV would be very inconvenient right now. Not impossible, but I will wait for some of these problems to get sorted out.
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You make good points for many prospective owners.
For me, I could live quite happily with an EV for 90% of the driving I do with my hybrid.
For those occasions on which an EV would be an impediment, we'd have a gasser.
For a two car family, an EV could work just fine as half the fleet.
 
fdcg27 said:
You make good points for many prospective owners.
For me, I could live quite happily with an EV for 90% of the driving I do with my hybrid.
For those occasions on which an EV would be an impediment, we'd have a gasser.
For a two car family, an EV could work just fine as half the fleet.
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It’s what we did. The nature of my job requires us to have two cars. One might as well be EV.
 
AuthorEditor said:
But, you have to look at the whole system, not just the cars. For example, our home is about 150 years old and we have no garage. We would have to spend close to $10grand just to upgrade the service and wiring into our home before we could even install a proper Level 2 charger. Even then the car would live outdoors through NE winters, sometimes cold soaking at well below zero for many nights. And, then we travel to various places a lot that have no charging infrastructure and likely never will: hiking trails, wild beaches, mountains, etc. Sure, we could charge along the way someplace, but that will add time and logistics to any trip. I have surveyed available charging stations along a route I take a lot and there is really only one in a godforsaken rest area I avoid because it is always over crowded. Same problem if we want to visit my daughter or my son. So, for me an EV would be very inconvenient right now. Not impossible, but I will wait for some of these problems to get sorted out.
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For sure. It's not for every situation. It's absurd to claim otherwise. Just like the truck is not right for everyone, nor is the compact car. That said, could you not charge at 16 amps/240? I presume you have a 100amp service?
 
Ws6 said:
For sure. It's not for every situation. It's absurd to claim otherwise. Just like the truck is not right for everyone, nor is the compact car. That said, could you not charge at 16 amps/240? I presume you have a 100amp service?
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I have an 1860’s home and the service is 40 amps, still have an old plug in.
 
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4WD said:
Have you seen data showing how many Tesla owners have an ICE as well ? Every one at work also has an LT or SUV that’s a gasser …
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That’s because EV’s are currently a second or third (or 7th) vehicle option for most households.

The other 80% of the plebes can’t justify a second or third car (let alone a new EV).
 
Ws6 said:
Yeah, that wpuld be 12amp 120v charging. You could do that if you don't drive kuch, but certainly not optimal. Youd charge about 30mi while you slept.
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I used to be able to charge the 8-12 hours at work also, I figured it out once and I could make my weekend longer trips all on l1

BLND1 said:
That’s because EV’s are currently a second or third (or 7th) vehicle option for most households.

The other 80% of the plebes can’t justify a second or third car (let alone a new EV).
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If we would fix the rediculous insurance and registration charges on vehicles everyone could, the fact insurance is like a car payment should be illegal for non-drinkers
 
Rmay635703 said:
I used to be able to charge the 8-12 hours at work also, I figured it out once and I could make my weekend longer trips all on l1



If we would fix the rediculous insurance and registration charges on vehicles everyone could, the fact insurance is like a car payment should be illegal for non-drinkers
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We only use L1 and it's our family car. It sees so few miles during the week that it's easy to be at full charge for weekend trips. Most of our trips are short enough to not even need to use public charging, though we've done it a few times.
 
BLND1 said:
That’s because EV’s are currently a second or third (or 7th) vehicle option for most households.

The other 80% of the plebes can’t justify a second or third car (let alone a new EV).
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I don't know if it counts as a second car when I'm gone 2-3 days at at time and it's my wife's only car those days, but sure. She doesn't drive my car, but I drive hers all the time when I'm home. I don't know how loaded you think the average Tesla owner is but most I know have it as their only car. By all means speak for others though.
 
Snagglefoot said:
Very true, however, the article is a bit misleading. Hybrids are really ICE vehicles, not “ electric vehicles “. The author slipped in the word “ electrified” and lumped them together. Inside EV’s has their agenda to follow.
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Yes the media did the same in 2022 and 2022
It’s all about clicks on a story. Happens on a lot of subjects. Thing is they know the majority can not decipher the truth and gives punch to the “news”
 
Snagglefoot said:
Very true, however, the article is a bit misleading. Hybrids are really ICE vehicles, not “ electric vehicles “. The author slipped in the word “ electrified” and lumped them together. Inside EV’s has their agenda to follow.
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Actually Toyota uses the word "electrified" to describe all of their hybrids, whether they plug in or not.
 
Astro_Guy said:
Actually Toyota uses the word "electrified" to describe all of their hybrids, whether they plug in or not.
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Yes, this is common across the board. Tesla, to a large point, has become synonymous with "EV", but the numbers, data, etc is much different than that.
Toyota makes the best hybrids, IMO. We own one.
 
ME_Andy said:

Electrified Vehicles Surged To 18% U.S. Market Share In Q3 2023​

https://insideevs.com/news/698615/xev-share-us-18percent-2023q3/
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Even if one were to discount the inclusion of ICE only powered hybrids, the market share of EVs + PHEV's has increased from roughly 2% in Q4 2019 to 10% in Q3 2023. The line on the chart with the steepest upward trajectory was the pure EVs. It is difficult to accept the premise of this thread when confronted with data like this.

In deference to the OP, there will come a time when the adoption rate of EVs will slow here in the USA. There are vast areas and other use cases where they just don't make sense. We are a long way from reaching that point.

Thinking about this from a macroecconic standpoint, increased adoption of EVs will eventually place some downward pressure on both EV vehicle and gasoline prices. Lower EV prices will increase adoption rates; lower gasoline price will slow that rate. We are still a lomg way from that impact on gasoline prices. Nevertheless, it wouldn't surprise me to see sales of new EV + PHEV to exceed 25% market share by the end of 2025. That is an extremely convervative estimate on my part.
 
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Astro_Guy said:
Even if one were to discount the inclusion of ICE only powered hybrids, the market share of EVs + PHEV's has increased from roughly 2% in Q4 2019 to 10% in Q3 2023. The line on the chart with the steepest upward trajectory was the pure EVs. It is difficult to accept the premise of this thread when confronted with data like this.

In deference to the OP, there will come a time when the adoption rate of EVs will slow here in the USA. There are vast areas and other use cases where they just don't make sense. We are a long way from reaching that point.

Thinking about this from a macroecconic standpoint, increased adoption of EVs will eventually place some downward pressure on both EV vehicle and gasoline prices. It wouldn't surprise me to see sales of new EV + PHEV to exceed 25% market share by the end of 2025. That is an extremely convervative estimate on my part.
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Prices have come down and there are a lot more choices today. You want to see EV adoption, couple hybrids with the $20K Model 2 or whatever they call it.
I doubt I will ever buy another pure ICE car again, at least new. Gas costs too much around here.
 
JeffKeryk said:
I doubt I will ever buy another pure ICE car again, at least new. Gas costs too much around here.
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Echo that, and gas costs a lot less here. It's going to be PHEV plus EV around here so long as PHEVs are available. We actually prefer the Ford CMax Energi to the Prius V on road trips. It is quieter, has better road manners, and is less expensive to drive provided we can get a free charge every 300 miles.
 
Astro_Guy said:
Echo that, and gas costs a lot less here. It's going to be PHEV plus EV around here so long as PHEVs are available. We actually prefer the Ford CMax Energi to the Prius V on road trips. It is quieter, has better road manners, and is less expensive to drive provided we can get a free charge every 300 miles.
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$2.71 at Sam’s Club yesterday
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