Wow did we get off topic unless HF now sells ammo.
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Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Oh yeah, he probably still had access to a car.
Common sense is that the country is spread out enough that it is impractical for 99.9999999% of the non-urban population to go around with just a motorcycle and no simple access to a real vehicle.
Where did you come up with that number? Can you back it up with facts or a link? LOL
How would you know whether he had access to a car or not?
Probably is nothing more than an assumption.
OK, lets just think about this with the tiniest bit of logic.
If one is single, has zero family, and just scoots around here and there, never needing to carry a thing, then maybe they could use a motorcycle as their sole transport.
Need to carry more than one person (i.e. the wife and kid?), nope, need a car. Need to carry anything of reasonable size (like three bags of groceries, not a lot mind you), need a car. Need to carry anything bigger? need a car.
What is SOOOOO difficult to understand about that, which makes you keep arguing?
So let's go back to my initial comment:
"I have yet to hear of anyone who only has an HD for their sole mode of transit."
Yep still stands true. Unless a complete urbanite, it is nearly impossible to exist without having access to something else besides a motorcycle.
Whether a motorcycle is or is not a viable commuting tool is not the question here. My point was that a motorcycle cannot fill all gaps that a car could, it just simply does not have the capacity. Is that so hard to comprehend?
Thus, anyone living a half normal life where they may need to carry more than one grocery bag at some point in 20 years likely needs to have access to another vehicle - thus a motorcycle is NOT the sole mode of transport that can be used.
Wow, what a concept.
And it is funnier now based upon your disability pension comments to learn about fine firearm and $100 bricks of .22 ammo. Guess that pension isnt so meager anymore. You would have had us believe that you have to slice up two peas for dinner as that is what your pension allows. Sounds like youre trying to create a sob story that is not really there.
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Oh yeah, he probably still had access to a car.
Common sense is that the country is spread out enough that it is impractical for 99.9999999% of the non-urban population to go around with just a motorcycle and no simple access to a real vehicle.
Where did you come up with that number? Can you back it up with facts or a link? LOL
How would you know whether he had access to a car or not?
Probably is nothing more than an assumption.
OK, lets just think about this with the tiniest bit of logic.
If one is single, has zero family, and just scoots around here and there, never needing to carry a thing, then maybe they could use a motorcycle as their sole transport.
Need to carry more than one person (i.e. the wife and kid?), nope, need a car. Need to carry anything of reasonable size (like three bags of groceries, not a lot mind you), need a car. Need to carry anything bigger? need a car.
What is SOOOOO difficult to understand about that, which makes you keep arguing?
So let's go back to my initial comment:
"I have yet to hear of anyone who only has an HD for their sole mode of transit."
Yep still stands true. Unless a complete urbanite, it is nearly impossible to exist without having access to something else besides a motorcycle.
Whether a motorcycle is or is not a viable commuting tool is not the question here. My point was that a motorcycle cannot fill all gaps that a car could, it just simply does not have the capacity. Is that so hard to comprehend?
Thus, anyone living a half normal life where they may need to carry more than one grocery bag at some point in 20 years likely needs to have access to another vehicle - thus a motorcycle is NOT the sole mode of transport that can be used.
Wow, what a concept.
And it is funnier now based upon your disability pension comments to learn about fine firearm and $100 bricks of .22 ammo. Guess that pension isnt so meager anymore. You would have had us believe that you have to slice up two peas for dinner as that is what your pension allows. Sounds like youre trying to create a sob story that is not really there.
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: bigmike
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
riiiight. Lots of people whose sole mode of transport in all conditions is a motorcycle? Yeah right. Im sure it works real well in Indiana winters.
Might it occur to you I might have friends and relatives that live in Florida, Texas, and Arizona?
Lets have some common sense here.
+1
My dad's sole mode of transportation was a 1980 and a 1981 Honda CX500. He had a cold weather suit, a rain suit, 2 helmets, a fairing, and a travel box on the back. Rain or shine, he drove them 20+ years until they died.
must be nice to NEVER, EVER need to carry something larger than what fits in the travel box on the back of a motor cycle.
Oh yeah, he probably still had access to a car.
Common sense is that the country is spread out enough that it is impractical for 99.9999999% of the non-urban population to go around with just a motorcycle and no simple access to a real vehicle.
Get over yourself. Please. I'm begging you.
You wished to be sarcastic to jcwit over the possibility of someone's sole mode of transportation being a motorcycle and when confronted with evidence, you choose to talk to me about common sense and impracticality?
I just had this argument not too long ago in another thread about why I keep my truck and plenty of people explained to me they could rent a truck when needed. Sounds good in theory and maybe that's common sense to them. I suppose the same argument could be applied to your proposal that everyone needs something larger than a motorcycle.
Right now I'm teaching 4 guys from New York. None of them owned any vehicles when living in the city. Now that they are blind, that option isn't afforded to them anyway.
It appears you are here just to argue the merit of USA branded warez vs. anything else. I'm not sure you even recognize the pros/cons of this argument, but you have listed a few. However, with the amount of in-fighting an American disabled vet on this board has hampered and hamstringed your ability to convince me of your view.
Originally Posted By: bigmike
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
riiiight. Lots of people whose sole mode of transport in all conditions is a motorcycle? Yeah right. Im sure it works real well in Indiana winters.
Might it occur to you I might have friends and relatives that live in Florida, Texas, and Arizona?
Lets have some common sense here.
+1
My dad's sole mode of transportation was a 1980 and a 1981 Honda CX500. He had a cold weather suit, a rain suit, 2 helmets, a fairing, and a travel box on the back. Rain or shine, he drove them 20+ years until they died.
must be nice to NEVER, EVER need to carry something larger than what fits in the travel box on the back of a motor cycle.
Oh yeah, he probably still had access to a car.
Common sense is that the country is spread out enough that it is impractical for 99.9999999% of the non-urban population to go around with just a motorcycle and no simple access to a real vehicle.
Get over yourself. Please. I'm begging you.
You wished to be sarcastic to jcwit over the possibility of someone's sole mode of transportation being a motorcycle and when confronted with evidence, you choose to talk to me about common sense and impracticality?
I just had this argument not too long ago in another thread about why I keep my truck and plenty of people explained to me they could rent a truck when needed. Sounds good in theory and maybe that's common sense to them. I suppose the same argument could be applied to your proposal that everyone needs something larger than a motorcycle.
Right now I'm teaching 4 guys from New York. None of them owned any vehicles when living in the city. Now that they are blind, that option isn't afforded to them anyway.
It appears you are here just to argue the merit of USA branded warez vs. anything else. I'm not sure you even recognize the pros/cons of this argument, but you have listed a few. However, with the amount of in-fighting an American disabled vet on this board has hampered and hamstringed your ability to convince me of your view.
JHZR2
Staff member
Originally Posted By: bigmike
You wished to be sarcastic to jcwit over the possibility of someone's sole mode of transportation being a motorcycle and when confronted with evidence, you choose to talk to me about common sense and impracticality?
I just had this argument not too long ago in another thread about why I keep my truck and plenty of people explained to me they could rent a truck when needed. Sounds good in theory and maybe that's common sense to them. I suppose the same argument could be applied to your proposal that everyone needs something larger than a motorcycle.
Right now I'm teaching 4 guys from New York. None of them owned any vehicles when living in the city. Now that they are blind, that option isn't afforded to them anyway.
It appears you are here just to argue the merit of USA branded warez vs. anything else. I'm not sure you even recognize the pros/cons of this argument, but you have listed a few. However, with the amount of in-fighting an American disabled vet on this board has hampered and hamstringed your ability to convince me of your view.
No, Im trying to get to the bottom of the commentary. If you are keeping your truck, is it because you can't do everything you need to on a motorcycle? If so, then my point still holds.
If I was wrong, we would see a lot more motorcycles on the road and a lot less cars. Most people dont want to deal with the impracticality of a motorcycle besides it being a toy for fairweather cruising. Simple and true.
And your comment about the New York folks aligns perfectly to my point that highly urbanized folks may have enough nearby to NOT need a vehicle, and may be able to have superior transport capability with a motorcycle. But NYC isnt AZ or the Indiana countryside.
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However, with the amount of in-fighting an American disabled vet on this board has hampered and hamstringed your ability to convince me of your view.
Seriously? Im sorry, but the comment about a disabled vet is just a crutch to make an argument. No disrespect to vets or service members AT ALL. But it is not material to this discussion, rather an attempt to draw a trump card in the argument. Irrelevant. No different than the beggar on the side of the road putting it on their cardboard sign - Im sorry, but what does it have to do with HF tools? Oh yeah, nothing. If you are of low means, then you are of low means, does not matter what may or may not have caused it. But owning motorcycles (generally viewed as a luxury item), fine firearms, etc also does not coincide with the meager story trying to be put across earlier. Anyone IS free to spend as they like, but dont make it out that the pension is too poor when youre buying firearms (which are hundreds of dollars each, even when used). It is a DECISION, not a sob story about the pension.
You wished to be sarcastic to jcwit over the possibility of someone's sole mode of transportation being a motorcycle and when confronted with evidence, you choose to talk to me about common sense and impracticality?
I just had this argument not too long ago in another thread about why I keep my truck and plenty of people explained to me they could rent a truck when needed. Sounds good in theory and maybe that's common sense to them. I suppose the same argument could be applied to your proposal that everyone needs something larger than a motorcycle.
Right now I'm teaching 4 guys from New York. None of them owned any vehicles when living in the city. Now that they are blind, that option isn't afforded to them anyway.
It appears you are here just to argue the merit of USA branded warez vs. anything else. I'm not sure you even recognize the pros/cons of this argument, but you have listed a few. However, with the amount of in-fighting an American disabled vet on this board has hampered and hamstringed your ability to convince me of your view.
No, Im trying to get to the bottom of the commentary. If you are keeping your truck, is it because you can't do everything you need to on a motorcycle? If so, then my point still holds.
If I was wrong, we would see a lot more motorcycles on the road and a lot less cars. Most people dont want to deal with the impracticality of a motorcycle besides it being a toy for fairweather cruising. Simple and true.
And your comment about the New York folks aligns perfectly to my point that highly urbanized folks may have enough nearby to NOT need a vehicle, and may be able to have superior transport capability with a motorcycle. But NYC isnt AZ or the Indiana countryside.
Quote:
However, with the amount of in-fighting an American disabled vet on this board has hampered and hamstringed your ability to convince me of your view.
Seriously? Im sorry, but the comment about a disabled vet is just a crutch to make an argument. No disrespect to vets or service members AT ALL. But it is not material to this discussion, rather an attempt to draw a trump card in the argument. Irrelevant. No different than the beggar on the side of the road putting it on their cardboard sign - Im sorry, but what does it have to do with HF tools? Oh yeah, nothing. If you are of low means, then you are of low means, does not matter what may or may not have caused it. But owning motorcycles (generally viewed as a luxury item), fine firearms, etc also does not coincide with the meager story trying to be put across earlier. Anyone IS free to spend as they like, but dont make it out that the pension is too poor when youre buying firearms (which are hundreds of dollars each, even when used). It is a DECISION, not a sob story about the pension.
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
It is a DECISION, not a sob story about the pension.
That sir, "and I use the term "sir" loosely, could easily use other language but I refuse to stoop to your level" is an insult to my service and my integrity. Pray you never find yourself in a position of needing assistance.
What a fiasco you have created over peoples wish to save some monies by buying inexpensive tools over higher priced tools no matter where they are made. But Carry on with your high and mighty attitude, be careful when the upper rung of the ladder breaks. Don't let your pride get in the way of the fall.
And Please, Please carry on with your bashing of Harbor Freight, I'll just make further use of them as my supplier.
It is a DECISION, not a sob story about the pension.
That sir, "and I use the term "sir" loosely, could easily use other language but I refuse to stoop to your level" is an insult to my service and my integrity. Pray you never find yourself in a position of needing assistance.
What a fiasco you have created over peoples wish to save some monies by buying inexpensive tools over higher priced tools no matter where they are made. But Carry on with your high and mighty attitude, be careful when the upper rung of the ladder breaks. Don't let your pride get in the way of the fall.
And Please, Please carry on with your bashing of Harbor Freight, I'll just make further use of them as my supplier.
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: bigmike
You wished to be sarcastic to jcwit over the possibility of someone's sole mode of transportation being a motorcycle and when confronted with evidence, you choose to talk to me about common sense and impracticality?
I just had this argument not too long ago in another thread about why I keep my truck and plenty of people explained to me they could rent a truck when needed. Sounds good in theory and maybe that's common sense to them. I suppose the same argument could be applied to your proposal that everyone needs something larger than a motorcycle.
Right now I'm teaching 4 guys from New York. None of them owned any vehicles when living in the city. Now that they are blind, that option isn't afforded to them anyway.
It appears you are here just to argue the merit of USA branded warez vs. anything else. I'm not sure you even recognize the pros/cons of this argument, but you have listed a few. However, with the amount of in-fighting an American disabled vet on this board has hampered and hamstringed your ability to convince me of your view.
No, Im trying to get to the bottom of the commentary. If you are keeping your truck, is it because you can't do everything you need to on a motorcycle? If so, then my point still holds.
If I was wrong, we would see a lot more motorcycles on the road and a lot less cars. Most people dont want to deal with the impracticality of a motorcycle besides it being a toy for fairweather cruising. Simple and true.
And your comment about the New York folks aligns perfectly to my point that highly urbanized folks may have enough nearby to NOT need a vehicle, and may be able to have superior transport capability with a motorcycle. But NYC isnt AZ or the Indiana countryside.
Quote:
However, with the amount of in-fighting an American disabled vet on this board has hampered and hamstringed your ability to convince me of your view.
Seriously? Im sorry, but the comment about a disabled vet is just a crutch to make an argument. No disrespect to vets or service members AT ALL. But it is not material to this discussion, rather an attempt to draw a trump card in the argument. Irrelevant. No different than the beggar on the side of the road putting it on their cardboard sign - Im sorry, but what does it have to do with HF tools? Oh yeah, nothing. If you are of low means, then you are of low means, does not matter what may or may not have caused it. But owning motorcycles (generally viewed as a luxury item), fine firearms, etc also does not coincide with the meager story trying to be put across earlier. Anyone IS free to spend as they like, but dont make it out that the pension is too poor when youre buying firearms (which are hundreds of dollars each, even when used). It is a DECISION, not a sob story about the pension.
This is the bottom of the commentary. Good job.
Originally Posted By: bigmike
You wished to be sarcastic to jcwit over the possibility of someone's sole mode of transportation being a motorcycle and when confronted with evidence, you choose to talk to me about common sense and impracticality?
I just had this argument not too long ago in another thread about why I keep my truck and plenty of people explained to me they could rent a truck when needed. Sounds good in theory and maybe that's common sense to them. I suppose the same argument could be applied to your proposal that everyone needs something larger than a motorcycle.
Right now I'm teaching 4 guys from New York. None of them owned any vehicles when living in the city. Now that they are blind, that option isn't afforded to them anyway.
It appears you are here just to argue the merit of USA branded warez vs. anything else. I'm not sure you even recognize the pros/cons of this argument, but you have listed a few. However, with the amount of in-fighting an American disabled vet on this board has hampered and hamstringed your ability to convince me of your view.
No, Im trying to get to the bottom of the commentary. If you are keeping your truck, is it because you can't do everything you need to on a motorcycle? If so, then my point still holds.
If I was wrong, we would see a lot more motorcycles on the road and a lot less cars. Most people dont want to deal with the impracticality of a motorcycle besides it being a toy for fairweather cruising. Simple and true.
And your comment about the New York folks aligns perfectly to my point that highly urbanized folks may have enough nearby to NOT need a vehicle, and may be able to have superior transport capability with a motorcycle. But NYC isnt AZ or the Indiana countryside.
Quote:
However, with the amount of in-fighting an American disabled vet on this board has hampered and hamstringed your ability to convince me of your view.
Seriously? Im sorry, but the comment about a disabled vet is just a crutch to make an argument. No disrespect to vets or service members AT ALL. But it is not material to this discussion, rather an attempt to draw a trump card in the argument. Irrelevant. No different than the beggar on the side of the road putting it on their cardboard sign - Im sorry, but what does it have to do with HF tools? Oh yeah, nothing. If you are of low means, then you are of low means, does not matter what may or may not have caused it. But owning motorcycles (generally viewed as a luxury item), fine firearms, etc also does not coincide with the meager story trying to be put across earlier. Anyone IS free to spend as they like, but dont make it out that the pension is too poor when youre buying firearms (which are hundreds of dollars each, even when used). It is a DECISION, not a sob story about the pension.
This is the bottom of the commentary. Good job.
I've tried to weed through the 4 pages (my settings) of commentary here and still have a question.
Has anyone offered a USA made corded or cordless tool (possibly a kit) manufacturer? If so, could they please make the suggestion again?
Has anyone offered a USA made corded or cordless tool (possibly a kit) manufacturer? If so, could they please make the suggestion again?
Originally Posted By: bigmike
I've tried to weed through the 4 pages (my settings) of commentary here and still have a question.
Has anyone offered a USA made corded or cordless tool (possibly a kit) manufacturer? If so, could they please make the suggestion again?
I don't know about cordless, but I have both a corded 3/8" and a 1/2" pistol grip from Makita. They're both made in the US. Based on how often I've dropped the 1/2" from various heights, I'm really impressed with the build quality. It has no business continuing to work considering how I've treated it.
This is the 1/2" I have: link
I've tried to weed through the 4 pages (my settings) of commentary here and still have a question.
Has anyone offered a USA made corded or cordless tool (possibly a kit) manufacturer? If so, could they please make the suggestion again?
I don't know about cordless, but I have both a corded 3/8" and a 1/2" pistol grip from Makita. They're both made in the US. Based on how often I've dropped the 1/2" from various heights, I'm really impressed with the build quality. It has no business continuing to work considering how I've treated it.
This is the 1/2" I have: link
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JHZR2
Staff member
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
It is a DECISION, not a sob story about the pension.
That sir, "and I use the term "sir" loosely, could easily use other language but I refuse to stoop to your level" is an insult to my service and my integrity. Pray you never find yourself in a position of needing assistance.
What a fiasco you have created over peoples wish to save some monies by buying inexpensive tools over higher priced tools no matter where they are made. But Carry on with your high and mighty attitude, be careful when the upper rung of the ladder breaks. Don't let your pride get in the way of the fall.
And Please, Please carry on with your bashing of Harbor Freight, I'll just make further use of them as my supplier.
You're using your service (which I have never insulted) as a crutch and justification for your decisions when it never was relevant. Whether you were in the swamps of SE Asia, or had snuck up to Canada to avoid the draft is immaterial to my point.
HF and mass adoption of Chinese stuff steals US jobs, period. That is my point and is always my point. If you don't care, then just say it. Don't hide behind service or status.
I'm paying taxes, working hard, and paying for the entitlements and debt that is going out, so I have every right to voice that concern. And it is a concern as entitlement programs, be they pensions, ever Increased unemployment payouts, etc all get paid out. And as we force more and more jobs offshore, what happens? More handouts and more taxes that I pay. If you don't think it's real, I don't know what to tell you.
It's more like you don't care, but you won't say it. Why not just say it?
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
It is a DECISION, not a sob story about the pension.
That sir, "and I use the term "sir" loosely, could easily use other language but I refuse to stoop to your level" is an insult to my service and my integrity. Pray you never find yourself in a position of needing assistance.
What a fiasco you have created over peoples wish to save some monies by buying inexpensive tools over higher priced tools no matter where they are made. But Carry on with your high and mighty attitude, be careful when the upper rung of the ladder breaks. Don't let your pride get in the way of the fall.
And Please, Please carry on with your bashing of Harbor Freight, I'll just make further use of them as my supplier.
You're using your service (which I have never insulted) as a crutch and justification for your decisions when it never was relevant. Whether you were in the swamps of SE Asia, or had snuck up to Canada to avoid the draft is immaterial to my point.
HF and mass adoption of Chinese stuff steals US jobs, period. That is my point and is always my point. If you don't care, then just say it. Don't hide behind service or status.
I'm paying taxes, working hard, and paying for the entitlements and debt that is going out, so I have every right to voice that concern. And it is a concern as entitlement programs, be they pensions, ever Increased unemployment payouts, etc all get paid out. And as we force more and more jobs offshore, what happens? More handouts and more taxes that I pay. If you don't think it's real, I don't know what to tell you.
It's more like you don't care, but you won't say it. Why not just say it?
Originally Posted By: JOD
Originally Posted By: bigmike
I've tried to weed through the 4 pages (my settings) of commentary here and still have a question.
Has anyone offered a USA made corded or cordless tool (possibly a kit) manufacturer? If so, could they please make the suggestion again?
I don't know about cordless, but I have both a corded 3/8" and a 1/2" pistol grip from Makita. They're both made in the US. Based on how often I've dropped the 1/2" from various heights, I'm really impressed with the build quality. It has no business continuing to work considering how I've treated it.
This is the 1/2" I have: link
Looks really nice.
Makita caught my eye lately and I just purchased a 12v cordless kit. No idea where it is made - it should be arriving in the mail soon. I've heard good things about their tool quality.
I am looking for a lithium ion 18v set but I have no particular brand preference as of right now.
Originally Posted By: bigmike
I've tried to weed through the 4 pages (my settings) of commentary here and still have a question.
Has anyone offered a USA made corded or cordless tool (possibly a kit) manufacturer? If so, could they please make the suggestion again?
I don't know about cordless, but I have both a corded 3/8" and a 1/2" pistol grip from Makita. They're both made in the US. Based on how often I've dropped the 1/2" from various heights, I'm really impressed with the build quality. It has no business continuing to work considering how I've treated it.
This is the 1/2" I have: link
Looks really nice.
Makita caught my eye lately and I just purchased a 12v cordless kit. No idea where it is made - it should be arriving in the mail soon. I've heard good things about their tool quality.
I am looking for a lithium ion 18v set but I have no particular brand preference as of right now.
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
It's more like you don't care, but you won't say it. Why not just say it?
I'm not using anything as a crutch, no matter how you see it.
It also seems you have a problem reading posts, so we'll try again
Posted on 3-28 at 2:29 PM
At this point in my life I'll just pruchase what I can afford and take into account how much use it will be subjected to. Other than that I no longer care, anymore.
Posted on 3-27 at 9:56 PM
At this point in my life I'll just pruchase what I can afford and take into account how much use it will be subjected to. Other than that I no longer care, anymore.
I'll try it for the 3rd time, they claim 3's a charm, mayhap you'll get it this time.
I NO LONGER CARE ANYMORE!
There, did it come thru this time?
It's more like you don't care, but you won't say it. Why not just say it?
I'm not using anything as a crutch, no matter how you see it.
It also seems you have a problem reading posts, so we'll try again
Posted on 3-28 at 2:29 PM
At this point in my life I'll just pruchase what I can afford and take into account how much use it will be subjected to. Other than that I no longer care, anymore.
Posted on 3-27 at 9:56 PM
At this point in my life I'll just pruchase what I can afford and take into account how much use it will be subjected to. Other than that I no longer care, anymore.
I'll try it for the 3rd time, they claim 3's a charm, mayhap you'll get it this time.
I NO LONGER CARE ANYMORE!
There, did it come thru this time?
I think the quality of HF items has markedly improved the last few years.
I just bought one of the little pancake air compressors, $39.95, I think, with a coupon, and it works well and looks pretty good.
Normally, I wouldn't get a cheap compressor like this, but the $250 U.S. made Craftsman pancake compressor has blown a valve or something, after a tough ten years of only occassionally airing up tires, and powering my oil extractor, and it seems wasteful to use the big two cylinder compressor just to top up tires. Not to mention that it's in the cat house across town.
So the HF fulfills this need nicely. I'll get around to fixing the Craftsman, but the HF works well enough that I'm in no hurry. I'm real disppointed in the Craftsman. I used to think it was good stuff. If it's just going to break anyway, might as well get the cheap stuff.
I just bought one of the little pancake air compressors, $39.95, I think, with a coupon, and it works well and looks pretty good.
Normally, I wouldn't get a cheap compressor like this, but the $250 U.S. made Craftsman pancake compressor has blown a valve or something, after a tough ten years of only occassionally airing up tires, and powering my oil extractor, and it seems wasteful to use the big two cylinder compressor just to top up tires. Not to mention that it's in the cat house across town.
So the HF fulfills this need nicely. I'll get around to fixing the Craftsman, but the HF works well enough that I'm in no hurry. I'm real disppointed in the Craftsman. I used to think it was good stuff. If it's just going to break anyway, might as well get the cheap stuff.
JHZR2
Staff member
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
It's more like you don't care, but you won't say it. Why not just say it?
I'm not using anything as a crutch, no matter how you see it.
It also seems you have a problem reading posts, so we'll try again
Posted on 3-28 at 2:29 PM
At this point in my life I'll just pruchase what I can afford and take into account how much use it will be subjected to. Other than that I no longer care, anymore.
Posted on 3-27 at 9:56 PM
At this point in my life I'll just pruchase what I can afford and take into account how much use it will be subjected to. Other than that I no longer care, anymore.
I'll try it for the 3rd time, they claim 3's a charm, mayhap you'll get it this time.
I NO LONGER CARE ANYMORE!
There, did it come thru this time?
3X is a charm. You dont care about jobs or the future of the country. Thanks for taking a check, hope you remember who is paying the bills (hint, it IS the Chinese, thanks to you)... Yet I get to pay for it.
And to wrap it up, a quote from Trav:
Quote:
The biggest problem today in the US is that we have become so accustomed to trash our definition of quality is at the lowest point ever.
Quality goods cost quality money but it last and in the long run can be actually cheaper than this rubbish foisted on us by these IMHO anti American retailers.
Call me over the top or anything you want i don't care, i will continue to buy quality goods and enjoy what i buy knowing it wasn't made by a slave.
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
It's more like you don't care, but you won't say it. Why not just say it?
I'm not using anything as a crutch, no matter how you see it.
It also seems you have a problem reading posts, so we'll try again
Posted on 3-28 at 2:29 PM
At this point in my life I'll just pruchase what I can afford and take into account how much use it will be subjected to. Other than that I no longer care, anymore.
Posted on 3-27 at 9:56 PM
At this point in my life I'll just pruchase what I can afford and take into account how much use it will be subjected to. Other than that I no longer care, anymore.
I'll try it for the 3rd time, they claim 3's a charm, mayhap you'll get it this time.
I NO LONGER CARE ANYMORE!
There, did it come thru this time?
3X is a charm. You dont care about jobs or the future of the country. Thanks for taking a check, hope you remember who is paying the bills (hint, it IS the Chinese, thanks to you)... Yet I get to pay for it.
And to wrap it up, a quote from Trav:
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The biggest problem today in the US is that we have become so accustomed to trash our definition of quality is at the lowest point ever.
Quality goods cost quality money but it last and in the long run can be actually cheaper than this rubbish foisted on us by these IMHO anti American retailers.
Call me over the top or anything you want i don't care, i will continue to buy quality goods and enjoy what i buy knowing it wasn't made by a slave.
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
3X is a charm. You dont care about jobs or the future of the country. Thanks for taking a check, hope you remember who is paying the bills (hint, it IS the Chinese, thanks to you)... Yet I get to pay for it.
I got tired of fighting the fight, let me live what I have left in peace. The younger generations can continue the fight and win or loose my remains will return to dust.
3X is a charm. You dont care about jobs or the future of the country. Thanks for taking a check, hope you remember who is paying the bills (hint, it IS the Chinese, thanks to you)... Yet I get to pay for it.
I got tired of fighting the fight, let me live what I have left in peace. The younger generations can continue the fight and win or loose my remains will return to dust.
Originally Posted By: Win
I think the quality of HF items has markedly improved the last few years.
I just bought one of the little pancake air compressors, $39.95, I think, with a coupon, and it works well and looks pretty good.
Normally, I wouldn't get a cheap compressor like this, but the $250 U.S. made Craftsman pancake compressor has blown a valve or something, after a tough ten years of only occassionally airing up tires, and powering my oil extractor, and it seems wasteful to use the big two cylinder compressor just to top up tires. Not to mention that it's in the cat house across town.
So the HF fulfills this need nicely. I'll get around to fixing the Craftsman, but the HF works well enough that I'm in no hurry. I'm real disppointed in the Craftsman. I used to think it was good stuff. If it's just going to break anyway, might as well get the cheap stuff.
Hey wait, I thought the ONLY reason jobs are going off shore is because of the bottom line for the bean coiunters not from lack of quality of the U.S. 'Craftsman?'.
I think the quality of HF items has markedly improved the last few years.
I just bought one of the little pancake air compressors, $39.95, I think, with a coupon, and it works well and looks pretty good.
Normally, I wouldn't get a cheap compressor like this, but the $250 U.S. made Craftsman pancake compressor has blown a valve or something, after a tough ten years of only occassionally airing up tires, and powering my oil extractor, and it seems wasteful to use the big two cylinder compressor just to top up tires. Not to mention that it's in the cat house across town.
So the HF fulfills this need nicely. I'll get around to fixing the Craftsman, but the HF works well enough that I'm in no hurry. I'm real disppointed in the Craftsman. I used to think it was good stuff. If it's just going to break anyway, might as well get the cheap stuff.
Hey wait, I thought the ONLY reason jobs are going off shore is because of the bottom line for the bean coiunters not from lack of quality of the U.S. 'Craftsman?'.
IS the Craftsman compressor really made in US? I imagin it is made with a lot of china parts. Still no excuse for the high price if even partially made in the US.
I still say much of HF tools are unacceptably low quality even by chinese standards. I'm against chinese imported tools in general, but I think HF is dumping disposable tools to put most of the US tools out of business. Then we'll be paying as much or more for chinese tools still of questionable quality.
If their tools were all of acceptable level of quality and priced fairly then I'd only be partly against it.
I still say much of HF tools are unacceptably low quality even by chinese standards. I'm against chinese imported tools in general, but I think HF is dumping disposable tools to put most of the US tools out of business. Then we'll be paying as much or more for chinese tools still of questionable quality.
If their tools were all of acceptable level of quality and priced fairly then I'd only be partly against it.
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
It's more like you don't care, but you won't say it. Why not just say it?
I'm not using anything as a crutch, no matter how you see it.
It also seems you have a problem reading posts, so we'll try again
Posted on 3-28 at 2:29 PM
At this point in my life I'll just pruchase what I can afford and take into account how much use it will be subjected to. Other than that I no longer care, anymore.
Posted on 3-27 at 9:56 PM
At this point in my life I'll just pruchase what I can afford and take into account how much use it will be subjected to. Other than that I no longer care, anymore.
I'll try it for the 3rd time, they claim 3's a charm, mayhap you'll get it this time.
I NO LONGER CARE ANYMORE!
There, did it come thru this time?
3X is a charm. You dont care about jobs or the future of the country. Thanks for taking a check, hope you remember who is paying the bills (hint, it IS the Chinese, thanks to you)... Yet I get to pay for it.
Maybe I'm just voicing what everyone is thinking, but someone needs to say it.
This has to be one of the most pompous displays of low-down pieces of filth in a post I've heard to date on BITOG. You should be ashamed to say it, especially to a vet.
Guess what? He doesn't owe you squat, even if you think you're the one paying for his "disability." Most of the disabled vets I know would gladly give up disability in return of any benefit check.
To look down on someone because they have no other means of support is pathetic and immoral. What you do for the least of these among you displays the true character within.
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
It's more like you don't care, but you won't say it. Why not just say it?
I'm not using anything as a crutch, no matter how you see it.
It also seems you have a problem reading posts, so we'll try again
Posted on 3-28 at 2:29 PM
At this point in my life I'll just pruchase what I can afford and take into account how much use it will be subjected to. Other than that I no longer care, anymore.
Posted on 3-27 at 9:56 PM
At this point in my life I'll just pruchase what I can afford and take into account how much use it will be subjected to. Other than that I no longer care, anymore.
I'll try it for the 3rd time, they claim 3's a charm, mayhap you'll get it this time.
I NO LONGER CARE ANYMORE!
There, did it come thru this time?
3X is a charm. You dont care about jobs or the future of the country. Thanks for taking a check, hope you remember who is paying the bills (hint, it IS the Chinese, thanks to you)... Yet I get to pay for it.
Maybe I'm just voicing what everyone is thinking, but someone needs to say it.
This has to be one of the most pompous displays of low-down pieces of filth in a post I've heard to date on BITOG. You should be ashamed to say it, especially to a vet.
Guess what? He doesn't owe you squat, even if you think you're the one paying for his "disability." Most of the disabled vets I know would gladly give up disability in return of any benefit check.
To look down on someone because they have no other means of support is pathetic and immoral. What you do for the least of these among you displays the true character within.
Originally Posted By: bigmike
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
It's more like you don't care, but you won't say it. Why not just say it?
I'm not using anything as a crutch, no matter how you see it.
It also seems you have a problem reading posts, so we'll try again
Posted on 3-28 at 2:29 PM
At this point in my life I'll just pruchase what I can afford and take into account how much use it will be subjected to. Other than that I no longer care, anymore.
Posted on 3-27 at 9:56 PM
At this point in my life I'll just pruchase what I can afford and take into account how much use it will be subjected to. Other than that I no longer care, anymore.
I'll try it for the 3rd time, they claim 3's a charm, mayhap you'll get it this time.
I NO LONGER CARE ANYMORE!
There, did it come thru this time?
3X is a charm. You dont care about jobs or the future of the country. Thanks for taking a check, hope you remember who is paying the bills (hint, it IS the Chinese, thanks to you)... Yet I get to pay for it.
Maybe I'm just voicing what everyone is thinking, but someone needs to say it.
This has to be one of the most pompous displays of low-down pieces of filth in a post I've heard to date on BITOG. You should be ashamed to say it, especially to a vet.
Guess what? He doesn't owe you squat, even if you think you're the one paying for his "disability." Most of the disabled vets I know would gladly give up disability in return of any benefit check.
To look down on someone because they have no other means of support is pathetic and immoral. What you do for the least of these among you displays the true character within.
Big Mike, you nailed it! Excellent post.
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
It's more like you don't care, but you won't say it. Why not just say it?
I'm not using anything as a crutch, no matter how you see it.
It also seems you have a problem reading posts, so we'll try again
Posted on 3-28 at 2:29 PM
At this point in my life I'll just pruchase what I can afford and take into account how much use it will be subjected to. Other than that I no longer care, anymore.
Posted on 3-27 at 9:56 PM
At this point in my life I'll just pruchase what I can afford and take into account how much use it will be subjected to. Other than that I no longer care, anymore.
I'll try it for the 3rd time, they claim 3's a charm, mayhap you'll get it this time.
I NO LONGER CARE ANYMORE!
There, did it come thru this time?
3X is a charm. You dont care about jobs or the future of the country. Thanks for taking a check, hope you remember who is paying the bills (hint, it IS the Chinese, thanks to you)... Yet I get to pay for it.
Maybe I'm just voicing what everyone is thinking, but someone needs to say it.
This has to be one of the most pompous displays of low-down pieces of filth in a post I've heard to date on BITOG. You should be ashamed to say it, especially to a vet.
Guess what? He doesn't owe you squat, even if you think you're the one paying for his "disability." Most of the disabled vets I know would gladly give up disability in return of any benefit check.
To look down on someone because they have no other means of support is pathetic and immoral. What you do for the least of these among you displays the true character within.
Big Mike, you nailed it! Excellent post.
JHZR2
Staff member
Originally Posted By: bigmike
Guess what? He doesn't owe you squat, even if you think you're the one paying for his "disability." Most of the disabled vets I know would gladly give up disability in return of any benefit check.
To look down on someone because they have no other means of support is pathetic and immoral. What you do for the least of these among you displays the true character within.
Where did I say that anyone owes me anything? I didn't. And a vet or disability has nothing to do with anything, which was my point all along. And don't assume I don't care for veterans or service members. You have no clue how I donate my time, money and talents for others. It's just totally irrelevant in this thread, so why would you go there being absolutely uninformed?
My fight is in no way with jcwit, it is with harbor freight tools and the acquisition of Chinese stuff when US made equivalents are readily available. That's it, end of story. Whomever is making that acquisition is irrelevant. Read what I said earlier. Does not matter if someone was fighting in the swamps of SE Asia or snuck over the border to Canada, it's irrelevant. The point is that buying Chinese stuff robs American jobs, that's all there is to it and it's the end of the story.
You can "scold" me all you want for making my point against a post by a vet. But you missed my initial point, which still stands. I don't care to volley an argument again agajnst jcwit or anyone else. But my point still stands, my point is still valid, and there is no reason for you to twist this anymore with your commentary. If you disagree that Chinese stuff steals US jobs, then say so. If you don't care, than say so. Jcwit did. So be it.
But it doesn't make the point any less valid. So instead of derailing the thread more, why not get back to pop rivit's initial point that HF is junk, and mine, that HF steals jobs, and be done with it. This isn't a thread on anything else.
Guess what? He doesn't owe you squat, even if you think you're the one paying for his "disability." Most of the disabled vets I know would gladly give up disability in return of any benefit check.
To look down on someone because they have no other means of support is pathetic and immoral. What you do for the least of these among you displays the true character within.
Where did I say that anyone owes me anything? I didn't. And a vet or disability has nothing to do with anything, which was my point all along. And don't assume I don't care for veterans or service members. You have no clue how I donate my time, money and talents for others. It's just totally irrelevant in this thread, so why would you go there being absolutely uninformed?
My fight is in no way with jcwit, it is with harbor freight tools and the acquisition of Chinese stuff when US made equivalents are readily available. That's it, end of story. Whomever is making that acquisition is irrelevant. Read what I said earlier. Does not matter if someone was fighting in the swamps of SE Asia or snuck over the border to Canada, it's irrelevant. The point is that buying Chinese stuff robs American jobs, that's all there is to it and it's the end of the story.
You can "scold" me all you want for making my point against a post by a vet. But you missed my initial point, which still stands. I don't care to volley an argument again agajnst jcwit or anyone else. But my point still stands, my point is still valid, and there is no reason for you to twist this anymore with your commentary. If you disagree that Chinese stuff steals US jobs, then say so. If you don't care, than say so. Jcwit did. So be it.
But it doesn't make the point any less valid. So instead of derailing the thread more, why not get back to pop rivit's initial point that HF is junk, and mine, that HF steals jobs, and be done with it. This isn't a thread on anything else.
You skirt the board rules all you want to. Anyone can see your disdain and disregard for the other member of your argument. If you debate people on the sole merit of winning, then good job sir. Otherwise, you failed miserably in attempting to sway any audience that you were right in any other field, specifically being NICE to people. There are better ways to interject your view.
It personally made me ill. I disregard most people that attack me personally, but cannot sit idle to watch it being done to someone else. Your argument has merit but it was ill conceived.
You state that the status of vet, disabled or not, has no base in the argument, then why did you latch on to it in multiple posts? I personally do not care what you do in your free time nor with your money, but you have made it clear that you spend time on here and you attack someone for spending their money someplace that you disagree with?
I'm not twisting anything with my commentary. I think most people here got the message.
Derailing? You are one to talk. I asked if anyone could suggest corded/cordless tool kits that are USA made. I got 1 response (albeit, a good product was suggested). Since you spend your time, money, and are concerned with USA branded products and the economy, I had suspected you would have given me your suggestions as well.
It is in my suggestion this thread be deleted in its entirety. Especially because it hurts your reputation as well as displays a bad example of how discussions should be held on this board.
It personally made me ill. I disregard most people that attack me personally, but cannot sit idle to watch it being done to someone else. Your argument has merit but it was ill conceived.
You state that the status of vet, disabled or not, has no base in the argument, then why did you latch on to it in multiple posts? I personally do not care what you do in your free time nor with your money, but you have made it clear that you spend time on here and you attack someone for spending their money someplace that you disagree with?
I'm not twisting anything with my commentary. I think most people here got the message.
Derailing? You are one to talk. I asked if anyone could suggest corded/cordless tool kits that are USA made. I got 1 response (albeit, a good product was suggested). Since you spend your time, money, and are concerned with USA branded products and the economy, I had suspected you would have given me your suggestions as well.
It is in my suggestion this thread be deleted in its entirety. Especially because it hurts your reputation as well as displays a bad example of how discussions should be held on this board.
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