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[Jim Rogers]

There are actual statistics on how many people are in "relationships" with some form of AI. They number might shock you.

It is not simple at all. But it is nefarious.

Definitely-- I've followed all that type of news/info on AI.

The maturation of AI is going to be a revolution in human existence orders of magnitude greater than any other seen.

You better believe that there will be myriad instances of extreme weirdness that will come with that revolution.

 

[Jim Rogers]

No. I just have life outside the forum.

That's a typical response to being caught out, so understandable.

While enjoying that life, I suggest you look into the "enlightenment and renesaince" a bit more.

Your writings on that caused me some serious depression.

 

[edyvw]

That's a typical response to being caught out, so understandable.

While enjoying that life, I suggest you look into the "enlightenment and renesaince" a bit more.

Your writings on that caused me some serious depression.

you remind me of one candidate close to retirement that wanted assistant position aftwr being chair, so she could retire in CO. She couldn’t help herself and started “advise,” my friend who was director of the program how to do it.
Earth keeps spinning after retirement and people move on.

 

[Jim Rogers]

you remind me of one candidate close to retirement that wanted assistant position aftwr being chair, so she could retire in CO. She couldn’t help herself and started “advise,” my friend who was director of the program how to do it.
Earth keeps spinning after retirement and people move on.

Oh, I retired from my faculty position but I'm still in the higher education game.

And this interaction is going to be worked up as a case study.

A professor-- and chair!-- who makes haughty pronouncements as to throwing students out of a program if there is any hint of AI use, and then tries to craft a support of that pronouncement that is so garbled, inconsistent, poorly written, and directly contradicted by fact it's a prime example of how AI can be transformative in helping those who are weak in expository writing?

That's pure gold, man!

 

[edyvw]

Oh, I retired from my faculty position but I'm still in the higher education game.

And this interaction is going to be worked up as a case study.

A professor-- and chair!-- who makes haughty pronouncements as to throwing students out of a program if there is any hint of AI use, and then tries to craft a support of that pronouncement that is so garbled, inconsistent, poorly written, and directly contradicted by fact it's a prime example of how AI can be transformative in helping those who are weak in expository writing?

That's pure gold, man!

Here is another suggestion. You can publish this: people having interaction with another people outside forum and not caring about my need to feel relevant.

 

[97prizm]

Human follows guideline after a committee decide what is the best compromise a decision maker can do and set boundary for the rule. Won't solve all problems but that's what? A starting point?

AI will have to do the same, you can't just let AI do everything like you can't let a 15 year old do everything after he finish reading 200 books. I wouldn't let a 15 year old do my surgery unless there are procedure he or she must follow like a real surgeon. Human has to pass exams and do residency, AI will eventually do the same.

I wouldn't let a genius 15-year-old perform surgery. Alot of complicated tasks take years to learn and muscle memory. Working in a hospital I speak with many vendor reps of products. Some surgeons now use a control that inputs their motions into a robotic arm/hand that is really precise.

 

[Jim Rogers]

Here is another suggestion. You can publish this: people having interaction with another people outside forum and not caring about my need to feel relevant.

Again, that sentence is so poorly constructed it's impossible to know for certain what you mean, so I'll just let it go.

However, I am part of a new movement that's taking on a critical review of the whole university concept, and I can tell you that your attitude (typical of many university faculty) has a high probability of implementing your own irrelevance in the (relatively) near future.

Relevant to the topic here, let me ask you this: signaling or human capital? And how would AI (or the lack of it) affect your answer?

Genuinely interested in your take on that.

Feel free to utilize AI (or your wife, girlfriend, lover, mistress, etc.) if you need help "writing" a reasonably coherent response.

 

[edyvw]

Again, that sentence is so poorly constructed it's impossible to know for certain what you mean, so I'll just let it go.

However, I am part of a new movement that's taking on a critical review of the whole university concept, and I can tell you that your attitude (typical of many university faculty) has a high probability of implementing your own irrelevance in the (relatively) near future.

Relevant to the topic here, let me ask you this: signaling or human capital? And how would AI (or the lack of it) affect your answer?

Genuinely interested in your take on that.

Feel free to utilize AI (or your wife, girlfriend, lover, mistress, etc.) if you need help "writing" a reasonably coherent response.

I wish you all the luck with the movement.

 

[Owen Lucas]

There are actual statistics on how many people are in "relationships" with some form of AI. They number might shock you.

It is not simple at all. But it is nefarious.

There are predictions that in the near future, maybe 10 years, people will become "married" to AI "partners". There have already been relationships, including an engagement (according to a Vivek R YT video) that has been canceled.

1000's of romance novels have been uploaded to create theme models, notably Meta's Llama which was busted for buying 10's of thousands (if not more) books, and scanning them in into their model.

 

[Jim Rogers]

I wish you all the luck with the movement.

Probably your best move at this point.

 

[Jim Rogers]

There are predictions that in the near future, maybe 10 years, people will become "married" to AI "partners". There have already been relationships, including an engagement (according to a Vivek R YT video) that has been canceled.

1000's of romance novels have been uploaded to create theme models, notably Meta's Llama which was busted for buying 10's of thousands (if not more) books, and scanning them in into their model.

This phenomenon will increase exponentially as robotics reaches maturation. Weirdly enough, I think that the fast-developing sex robot market is going to be the real game-changer on that front.

I believe that there is a very high probability that by 2050, approximately half our current understanding of every aspect of the world will be completely moot.

 

[edyvw]

Probably your best move at this point.

Like I said, I can’t help you staying relevant.

 

[Jim Rogers]

Like I said, I can’t help you staying relevant.

Like you said? In fact, you said that you had a need to be relevant:

Here is another suggestion. You can publish this: people having interaction with another people outside forum and not caring about my need to feel relevant.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone who struggles as much with written communication as you do.

Every response is like a puzzle that needs to be solved to figure out what you're trying to say.

Given that, I think it's best that I disengage with you. I think I have all I need from you and trying walk you through how to properly support an argument is appearing to be a "fool's errand."

Thanks for your well-wishes, and I'll let you have the last word.

Good luck to you in your work!

 

[edyvw]

Like you said? In fact, you said that you had a need to be relevant:



I don't think I've ever seen anyone who struggles as much with written communication as you do.

Every response is like a puzzle that needs to be solved to figure out what you're trying to say.

Given that, I think it's best that I disengage with you. I think I have all I need from you and trying walk you through how to properly support an argument is appearing to be a "fool's errand."

Thanks for your well-wishes, and I'll let you have the last word.

Good luck to you in your work!

Idk. Have you tried playing with grandkids? It might help you.

 

[andrew_j]

As a reminder to all ...

Do NOT post any AI generated content on BITOG; none whatsoever.
Some posts have already been deleted for this policy violation.

You may discuss AI, but don't put AI content (text, photos, images, etc) in public view on BITOG.

Curiosity, are you leveraging AI yet for moderation at least flagging posts for moderators to review?

 

[JeffKeryk]

I would hope we can carry on a discussion without being disrespectful. We all have a piece of the puzzle.
That's my 2 cents which is more than you paid for it!

Signed,
Your favorite Tesla fanboi and AI nerd.

 

[JeffKeryk]

I have to believe @edyvw made his class understand that the paper was not to be AI generated; it was to be written by the students.
I also believe the student asked the question in all honesty; he has grown up with computers and naturally taps into the biggest library in the world.

Perhaps another assignment might be, take an AI generated paper and have the students analyze it.

But what do I know, I am just a lowly programmer.
In that vein, I have seen a lot of AI generated code. Some of it is very tight; a lot in one line of code with functions imbedded into other functions numerous levels deep.
I used to be known for code like that; I was the hot shot programmer. A friend, who became my 1st mentor, talked to me about it during an impromptu code review. Dave praised me, and then told me he would never write like that. I was shocked at the gentle put down. "What happens when you have to revisit that functionality? Or worse, when someone else has to deal with it?"

I learned a lot that day.

 

[edyvw]

I have to believe @edyvw made his class understand that the paper was not to be AI generated; it was to be written by the students.
I also believe the student asked the question in all honesty; he has grown up with computers and naturally taps into the biggest library in the world.

Perhaps another assignment might be, take an AI generated paper and have the students analyze it.

But what do I know, I am just a lowly programmer.
In that vein, I have seen a lot of AI generated code. Some of it is very tight; a lot in one line of code with functions imbedded into other functions numerous levels deep.
I used to be known for code like that; I was the hot shot programmer. A friend, who became my 1st mentor, talked to me about it during an impromptu code review. Dave praised me, and then told me he would never write like that. I was shocked at the gentle put down. "What happens when you have to revisit that functionality? Or worse, when someone else has to deal with it?"

I learned a lot that day.

There is nothing wrong using world biggest library. Almost all literature is now available through internet. Even oldest literature today has DOI number. AI is involved in that without many realizing that all search engines enhanced capability using AI.
But that is different from having “someone “ do your work and than claim that as your intellectual property.

 

[MolaKule]

Ok, many have made their points but let us cease the argumentation.

Take your argumentation offline, or we'll have to close this thread.

 

[PandaBear]

I have to believe @edyvw made his class understand that the paper was not to be AI generated; it was to be written by the students.
I also believe the student asked the question in all honesty; he has grown up with computers and naturally taps into the biggest library in the world.

Perhaps another assignment might be, take an AI generated paper and have the students analyze it.

But what do I know, I am just a lowly programmer.
In that vein, I have seen a lot of AI generated code. Some of it is very tight; a lot in one line of code with functions imbedded into other functions numerous levels deep.
I used to be known for code like that; I was the hot shot programmer. A friend, who became my 1st mentor, talked to me about it during an impromptu code review. Dave praised me, and then told me he would never write like that. I was shocked at the gentle put down. "What happens when you have to revisit that functionality? Or worse, when someone else has to deal with it?"

I learned a lot that day.

I think people have been copying homework and cheat on test for a long time. In the end a test is to judge a person's ability and level of skill. If it is easily done by a tool then the test should raise the bar rather than blame it. There are plenty of open book test and test with calculator allowed.

Maybe our future would be open to use AI test and you have to point out the flaw of the AI's argument. This would turn the table against them real quick and make them really go through what AI said.

I have been catching people cheat on interview using either outside help (friend texting them) or AI. When you ask them deeper question on what they just said they got stuck, and frustrated when you keep digging them and not letting go.