Gotcha: Castrol’s Apples to Oranges PDS Data

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If so many people were/are up in arms about Mobil 1’s secretive oil base change, why aren’t more people calling for Castrol’s red and green stripes on a platter, and lighting torches over their deceptive PDS data? On almost all of their PDS’ they have only “100°C cst” and “212°F SUS” data for their viscosity data, and not data for the other halves for each of those industry tests to allow for accurate knowledge of their products for discussions and comparisons to other brands. They are displaying data for the same temperature in two different tests: 100°C = 212°F!
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To me, this is done intentionally to deceive the consumer who wants to know more about their product. It is funny how Castrol recognized that “212°F SUS” data results are in the same range as 40°C cSt data. If you look at other oil PDS data that posts data for both tests, 40°C cSt data is typically lower than 212°F SUS data.
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Is Castrol’s oil thinner than what they are telling us?? Is being secretively thin hiding something?

I know Castrol is a sponsor, but they will have to start playing fair and disclose data that almost every other oil brand publishes; even the no-names don’t hide this PDS data. BITOG’ers look closely at PDS’ for discussions, comparisons, and to scrutinize oil data, but without having equal data available, many posts that reference published Castrol PDS viscosity data are now invalid.

I wrote off Castrol years ago because their PDS’s were not thorough and I did not know how their oil performed in all standard industry tests for comparison, but I was willing to give them a try based on BITOG’ers posts; not now! This must have been done to mask the fact that they change their ingredients often and it covers them legally when they do. Who really knows how those white bottles and black bottles fair in comparison to others on paper??? I know that PDS’ are a snap shot and there are production variations, but it is an indicator – just like there is not exactly 12 oz. of fermented malted barley in those brown bottles or aluminum cans; it varies during production. It is interesting that GTX didn’t meet GM6094M specs in May, then change a little of this and that, and shaked it(not stirred it) to meet the test, and presto – GM6094M approved
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; no need to change the PDS. I know that many BITOG’ers have great success with Castrol products, as many did with M1 before discovering the base oil change, but this does not set well with me; I don’t know how this will affect their BITOG rating.
 
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Originally Posted By: ProfPS
This is not about the lack of PDS data; it is about intentionally displaying PDS data to deceive.


You think? Or just assuming the average American is mind numb and not to be confused with more info?
 
Originally Posted By: Brien
Otherwise forget about Castrol. Rotella T is amuch better choice


What about their regular 15w40 HDEO?
 
Originally Posted By: ProfPS
If so many people were/are up in arms about Mobil 1’s secretive oil base change, why aren’t more people calling for Castrol’s red and green stripes on a platter, and lighting torches over their deceptive PDS data? On almost all of their PDS’ they have only “100°C cst” and “212°F SUS” data for their viscosity data, and not data for the other halves for each of those industry tests to allow for accurate knowledge of their products for discussions and comparisons to other brands. They are displaying data for the same temperature in two different tests: 100°C = 212°F!
spankme2.gif
To me, this is done intentionally to deceive the consumer who wants to know more about their product. It is funny how Castrol recognized that “212°F SUS” data results are in the same range as 40°C cSt data. If you look at other oil PDS data that posts data for both tests, 40°C cSt data is typically lower than 212°F SUS data.
grin2.gif
Is Castrol’s oil thinner than what they are telling us?? Is being secretively thin hiding something?

I know Castrol is a sponsor, but they will have to start playing fair and disclose data that almost every other oil brand publishes; even the no-names don’t hide this PDS data. BITOG’ers look closely at PDS’ for discussions, comparisons, and to scrutinize oil data, but without having equal data available, many posts that reference published Castrol PDS viscosity data are now invalid.

I wrote off Castrol years ago because their PDS’s were not thorough and I did not know how their oil performed in all standard industry tests for comparison, but I was willing to give them a try based on BITOG’ers posts; not now! This must have been done to mask the fact that they change their ingredients often and it covers them legally when they do. Who really knows how those white bottles and black bottles fair in comparison to others on paper??? I know that PDS’ are a snap shot and there are production variations, but it is an indicator – just like there is not exactly 12 oz. of fermented malted barley in those brown bottles or aluminum cans; it varies during production. It is interesting that GTX didn’t meet GM6094M specs in May, then change a little of this and that, and shaked it(not stirred it) to meet the test, and presto – GM6094M approved
banana2.gif
; no need to change the PDS. I know that many BITOG’ers have great success with Castrol products, as many did with M1 before discovering the base oil change, but this does not set well with me; I don’t know how this will affect their BITOG rating.


Before a witch hunt for Castrol is established can we back up and see the actual proof that proves M1 has secretly changed all of their oils to a group 3 oil? I've seached all over this site an have not found conclusive data to suggest what Mobil is/was doing in their base oils.
Castrol seems to be a product that people either love or despise. Some swear by it and others swear at it. I don't think getting sludge dropped on a person from above proves alot but it must sell oil to the average Joe.
 
Nope, you are right. No conclusive proof.

But if the holders of the high moral ground (Mobil) came out and stated categorically "only PAO", or PAO+GrV, the entire supposition would have been laid to rest ages ago, and they would be selling bucket loads of oil to BITOGers, their familes, and the people on every other BB that makes reference to BITOG.

That they keep coming out with "inclusive" statements leads me to strongly believe that they are purposely not saying "100%".
 
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