Goodbye RAM EcoDiesel

It was probably mixing oil and coolant from failed cooler. Yes it should have been flushed till oil was clean....usually a couple of oil changes does it. That said , these things blow up all the time. I honestly don't know why people buy them with the widespread known issues they have. Only way one might have a good chance of living to high miles is turn off egr with a tune when new and frequent oil changes. Do some live anyway? Yep....but tons blow up. They are are biggest engine failure of anything we make ....by far.
It's worth a try for some help on cost , but unless it had an extended warranty it's out by 13k
Ya he wasn’t able to get extended warranty minus seals and gaskets, due to the debt load. 40g truck, 100g loan. The whole system seems so corrupt. He did do the delete. It definitely has been a disaster to deal with. Thank you for your comment. I appreciate it.
 
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Ya he wasn’t able to get extended warranty, due to his debt load. 40g truck, 100g loan. The whole system seems so corrupt. He did do the delete. It definitely has been a disaster to deal with. Thank you for your comment. I appreciate it.

Can't blame the system for bad financial decisions, I'm almost curious how this came to pass....There must be some negative equity from a past vehicle loan in there?

$40,000 for a well used Ram Eco-Diesel?
 
It was probably mixing oil and coolant from failed cooler. Yes it should have been flushed till oil was clean....usually a couple of oil changes does it. That said , these things blow up all the time. I honestly don't know why people buy them with the widespread known issues they have. Only way one might have a good chance of living to high miles is turn off egr with a tune when new and frequent oil changes. Do some live anyway? Yep....but tons blow up. They are are biggest engine failure of anything we make ....by far.
It's worth a try for some help on cost , but unless it had an extended warranty it's out by 13k
Ya he wasn’t able to get extended warranty, due to his debt load. 40g truck, 100g loan. The whole system seems so corrupt. He did do the delete. It definitely Thank you for your comment. I appreciate it.
Can't blame the system for bad financial decisions, I'm almost curious how this came to pass....There must be some negative equity from a past vehicle loan in there?

$40,000 for a well used Ram Eco-Diesel?
it was used, he got it at 124,000 Km. He’s 22. His credit was non existent. Went to a dealership and this is the truck they rolled him into. We didn’t even know it was out of province, they registered it before he did. They also didn’t properly disclose an accident, nor did they disclose all the repairs. They got it from Quebec and had papers signed to him before it was even looked at. He received it almost a month after due to repairs (they stated things like sensors, brakes, sway bars, a bunch of steering things, they never once disclosed it came in leaking oil badly, nor did it have the oil cooler changed). This dealership uses financing companies for bad credit, so when everything was said and done, his final loan was for just over 100,000. The truck was originally just over 40,000. The whole system seems somewhat corrupt. Following the engine failure, the truck sat in his yard for almost 6 months, until he was able to buy a new engine (borrowed the money) He’s young, vulnerable and was excited for his new truck and to work on his credit. He should of paid attention to a lot more but unfortunately didn’t ask enough questions, he made ALOT of mistakes in this process. I went to AMVIC (Alberta motor Vehicle Industry Council), the dealership is in trouble for two administration faults , one involves the out of province, the other is steps in paperwork. Unfortunately they just got caught and reprimanded a week prior for the out of province clause, so we are seeing if we can piggy back it with the second administration failure to at least bring some accountability. I went through everything and found a variety of issues in the paperwork, repairs and issues not properly disclosed. Unfortunately there seems to be quite a grey area we are swimming in and proving things without a reasonable doubt is becoming a challenge haha.
 
EGR cooler failed twice
From what I understand, those things are not cheap to replace..... On ANY modern diesel. And it is one of the most failed components on modern diesel engines. And labor alone can be ungodly expensive, because most of them are hard to get at, requiring a lot of disassembly and reassembly to complete the job.
 
It blows my mind that someone would pay that much in finance fees, surely he could have purchased a new or nearly new truck and had a very similar monthly payment to what he has now? 150% of the cost of the vehicle in finance fees is crazy.
I know. That’s the part I don’t understand. How can he only get a vehicle worth that much yet a loan more than double the amount. Due to his credit this was the only company who would work with him. There needs to be more regulations or something on this. As well, the out of province inspection they use, the peace officer with AMVIC said they are a complete joke and a waste of paper, with zero regulation. When I began doing research on the dealership I found he was one of many people with this issue, huge loan and blown engine. Now the truck has a new engine so it’s worth a whole lot more. That’s what got me into this, he got behind on a couple payments because he had no idea what to do with it plus engines were hard to find. So my question to the dealership was “well he should own the engine since he paid cash, shouldn’t he? Truck you can have, engine, no” haha. That’s when I started pulling and going through stuff. It didn’t make sense to me it could just have a catastrophic failure with this low KM. But, now after looking into it seems it was almost destined to happen and probably why it was traded in. Hindsight he should have just let them take the truck with the blown engine and used that money to buy something else and dealt with the loan after. The whole experience has been eye opening and an awful learning lesson for him. I don’t want this to happen to other people , thus the AMVIC report. People going to these places are already pretty vulnerable, desperate and not in good situations, so finance fees like this seem
Criminal. I’m beginning to wonder if my energy would be better used trying to get better regulations on these sales.
 
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My observation is that with every generation of small block diesels is that there is still there is a mentality of retaining some sort of commonality with gas engines. Remember the Olds V8 Diesel? I know that Detroit Diesel helped with the design however didn’t agree with retaining tooling use with a gas engine. That’s why the head gasket failure was so bad…
 
I know. That’s the part I don’t understand. How can he only get a vehicle worth that much yet a loan more than double the amount. Due to his credit this was the only company who would work with him. There needs to be more regulations or something on this. As well, the out of province inspection they use, the peace officer with AMVIC said they are a complete joke and a waste of paper, with zero regulation. When I began doing research on the dealership I found he was one of many people with this issue, huge loan and blown engine. Now the truck has a new engine so it’s worth a whole lot more. That’s what got me into this, he got behind on a couple payments because he had no idea what to do with it plus engines were hard to find. So my question to the dealership was “well he should own the engine since he paid cash, shouldn’t he? Truck you can have, engine, no” haha. That’s when I started pulling and going through stuff. It didn’t make sense to me it could just have a catastrophic failure with this low KM. But, now after looking into it seems it was almost destined to happen and probably why it was traded in. Hindsight he should have just let them take the truck with the blown engine and used that money to buy something else and dealt with the loan after. The whole experience has been eye opening and an awful learning lesson for him. I don’t want this to happen to other people , thus the AMVIC report. People going to these places are already pretty vulnerable, desperate and not in good situations, so finance fees like this seem
Criminal. I’m beginning to wonder if my energy would be better used trying to get better regulations on these sales.
As hard as it is to accept, no amount of “regulation” will prevent people with little knowledge/experience from making bad decisions.

If a man, be it young, but still a man with a wife and family makes such a foolish financial decision to get into a truck he really wants, then that is unfortunate, but the blame is on him. No rational person would sign a deal on a $40k truck but for a $100k loan.

Today is really no different than any time in the past, except back then you paid with your life for foolish mistakes and now you pay with being saddled with a ton of dept for a good portion of your life.
 
As hard as it is to accept, no amount of “regulation” will prevent people with little knowledge/experience from making bad decisions.

If a man, be it young, but still a man with a wife and family makes such a foolish financial decision to get into a truck he really wants, then that is unfortunate, but the blame is on him. No rational person would sign a deal on a $40k truck but for a $100k loan.

Today is really no different than any time in the past, except back then you paid with your life for foolish mistakes and now you pay with being saddled with a ton of dept for a good portion of your life.
I appreciate you pointing out the obvious mistakes 😂. Thanks for your input.
 
The why the call for more regulation?
Does it not seem like robbery that a financial company can take advantage of people who aren’t able to get loans anywhere else, and give them a loan more than double the value of a vehicle ? He would have never gone this route, if he wasn’t young and lacking credit, but he didn’t have a choice and he absolutely needed a truck, or working is off the table. Plus this was the ONLY vehicle they would approve him for. The chances of people faulting on these loans would be extremely high, leading to these vehicles being repossessed, sold for a much less price then the loan is worth and the person is stuck paying this loan off or destroying their credit even more.
Yes he made a mistake, but had this truck engine not blown, it would have never turned into the disaster it is. Seems being stuck with a huge loan and a truck with a blown engine, less then 90 days later, is criminal.
There needs to be a cap on interest rates these financial companies can charge IMO, or, they need to regulate the out of province inspection that is apparently a waste of paper. Or, they should have to disclose the repairs they did, prior to the purchase , so at least if he knew it came in leaking oil badly, he could have made an informed decision. Or maybe they shouldn’t have sold the vehicle before even inspecting it or knowing what needed to be done to it. Or maybe they shouldn’t have registered it before he did, so he knew it was an out of province.Yes, he made mistakes but as far as I’m concerned, so did the dealership. After this all happened I researched this dealership, seems they are known for buying vehicles, giving outrageous loans and the engine blows shortly after. He wasn’t even close to the only one this happened to. This is why I believe there should be stricter regulations, in any of these areas.
 
The why the call for more regulation?
They have faulted on 2 administration clauses with our province , which I’m waiting for an outcome currently with AMVIC. One of the rules they broke, they just got caught on the exact same thing, I found out they did, with another client. A lot wasn’t done properly in this situation.
 
Does it not seem like robbery that a financial company can take advantage of people who aren’t able to get loans anywhere else, and give them a loan more than double the value of a vehicle ? He would have never gone this route, if he wasn’t young and lacking credit, but he didn’t have a choice and he absolutely needed a truck, or working is off the table. Plus this was the ONLY vehicle they would approve him for. The chances of people faulting on these loans would be extremely high, leading to these vehicles being repossessed, sold for a much less price then the loan is worth and the person is stuck paying this loan off or destroying their credit even more.
Yes he made a mistake, but had this truck engine not blown, it would have never turned into the disaster it is. Seems being stuck with a huge loan and a truck with a blown engine, less then 90 days later, is criminal.
There needs to be a cap on interest rates these financial companies can charge IMO, or, they need to regulate the out of province inspection that is apparently a waste of paper. Or, they should have to disclose the repairs they did, prior to the purchase , so at least if he knew it came in leaking oil badly, he could have made an informed decision. Or maybe they shouldn’t have sold the vehicle before even inspecting it or knowing what needed to be done to it. Or maybe they shouldn’t have registered it before he did, so he knew it was an out of province.Yes, he made mistakes but as far as I’m concerned, so did the dealership. After this all happened I researched this dealership, seems they are known for buying vehicles, giving outrageous loans and the engine blows shortly after. He wasn’t even close to the only one this happened to. This is why I believe there should be stricter regulations, in any of these areas.

Did this guy keep his job when the truck was out of commission for 6 months? This should tell you if he “absolutely needed a truck for work”.

As far as all the other stuff, I know in Ontario, as that’s where I lived, you can get a used car report from the License and registration office that lists all owners in that province. So if a vehicle is say 5 years old, but the registered owners only start 2 years ago, that’s a good sign the vehicle is from another province and you skip it.

In other words, there are many ways these days to check the vehicle and the dealership online and it is quite easy.
 
Did this guy keep his job when the truck was out of commission for 6 months? This should tell you if he “absolutely needed a truck for work”.

As far as all the other stuff, I know in Ontario, as that’s where I lived, you can get a used car report from the License and registration office that lists all owners in that province. So if a vehicle is say 5 years old, but the registered owners only start 2 years ago, that’s a good sign the vehicle is from another province and you skip it.

In other words, there are many ways these days to check the vehicle and the dealership online and it is quite easy.
Yes, he should have skipped it. But unfortunately here we are. And he owns his own company so it sure as **** effected his career, pay , house and vehicle.
 
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Yes, he should have skipped it. But unfortunately here we are.
Yes, and I believe educating the costumer and exposing the bad dealers is a way better solution with todays instant social media, than chasing what rules they broke.

This was a used vehicle sale after all and I presume no warranty was included, so I highly doubt any ruling can be made against the dealer.
 
Yes, he should have skipped it. But unfortunately here we are
Yes, and I believe educating the costumer and exposing the bad dealers is a way better solution with todays instant social media, than chasing what rules they broke.

This was a used vehicle sale after all and I presume no warranty was included, so I highly doubt any ruling can be made against the dealer.
Ya, that’s my next step. I was just seeing what grounds I had here etc. My google review definitely wasn’t a good one. Next is education on everything that happened and getting it out, so hopefully it stops it from happening again.
 
My observation is that with every generation of small block diesels is that there is still there is a mentality of retaining some sort of commonality with gas engines. Remember the Olds V8 Diesel? I know that Detroit Diesel helped with the design however didn’t agree with retaining tooling use with a gas engine. That’s why the head gasket failure was so bad…

I don't believe Detroit Diesel had anything to do with the development of the 350 Old's diesel, DD did design the 6.2L & 6.5L diesels that shared nothing with GM gas engines except for bellhousing bolt pattern & engine mount location.
 
I don't believe Detroit Diesel had anything to do with the development of the 350 Old's diesel, DD did design the 6.2L & 6.5L diesels that shared nothing with GM gas engines except for bellhousing bolt pattern & engine mount location.
From what I have read from some various sources in the "lets learn from our failures" department of stories, DD was there only to help make sure its a real diesel engine, but Olds didn't understand how much more important the head gasket is in an diesel engine, especially a V8. Which lead to all the infamous problems despite what DD was telling them. When they introduced the V6 version, they figured out the head gasket finally but the damage was done.
 
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