Goodbye RAM EcoDiesel

American car manufacturers seem to have real issues with small displacement diesel engines. Chevy had numerous issues with their 4 cylinder diesel powered Colorados. I think they were isuzu. Jeep tried the diesel engine gamecyears ago with the commander and Grand Cherokee. From talking with mechanics those were powered by VM Motori diesel engines and unfortunately there weren't many dealerships nor mechanics that could work on them.
GM ha BMW diesels in Europe. That was the best Opel product. But I think BMW limited them to only that market.
Toyota uses BMW 4cyl diesel in Europe. But it would probably be too expensive to fit the profit margin.
 
GM ha BMW diesels in Europe. That was the best Opel product. But I think BMW limited them to only that market.
Toyota uses BMW 4cyl diesel in Europe. But it would probably be too expensive to fit the profit margin.
Bmw diesel are gone with Avensis.
 
It's a Fiat, dude. They always have the flashiest, shiniest, blingiest, newest whizbang features, on paper a Fiat is always the most amazing vehicle you can buy. But their best feature is that you are always shopping for a new Fiat, because you are waiting at the dealership for hours on end waiting for them to fix the last Fiat you bought!!

It's a great business model. Sell flashy junk to unsuspecting consumers. When flashy junk fails, make consumer drive back to dealer where even more flashy junk awaits, tempting their pocketbook while service techs try and usually fail to fix the last piece of flashy junk you sold them.
This has not been my experience and I've spent a considerable sum on FCA vehicles in the last several years (including an EcoDiesel). It started with a used '06 Charger and things sort of snowballed from there with 4x SRT's, 2x 1500's (1x DS, 1x DT, which we currently own) and a Durango.

We've had surprisingly few issues with our DT, given it was produced during the first month or so of production and had the TSB's that came along with that (motor mounts and caliper mounts, dealt with quickly very early in our ownership, we were always given a loaner new vehicle off the lot anyway though). It has been in two accidents, including smoking a 12-point buck at around 100km/h and I was still able to drive it two hours home with a shredded front clip. We've had to get the rear window repaired under warranty (it leaked), but that's a known problem and there's a revised part, and again, we had a loaner, and no failed repairs or issues that couldn't be sorted.

We've also had better luck at work with the 1500 RAM's reliability-wise than the F-150's, but when the RAM's do go, it tends to be major (lifter failure on two of them now), which takes them out of service permanently at around 200,000 miles. The F-150's have had more repairs, but they weren't catastrophic, like having to have the entire A/C system rebuilt, or the cooling system completely overhauled, or having the hangar bearing assembly go out.

Of course the GM trucks are prone to the same lifter failure problem as the RAM's, so that would be our experience with those as well, if we had any in the fleet.
 
This has not been my experience and I've spent a considerable sum on FCA vehicles in the last several years (including an EcoDiesel). It started with a used '06 Charger and things sort of snowballed from there with 4x SRT's, 2x 1500's (1x DS, 1x DT, which we currently own) and a Durango.

We've had surprisingly few issues with our DT, given it was produced during the first month or so of production and had the TSB's that came along with that (motor mounts and caliper mounts, dealt with quickly very early in our ownership, we were always given a loaner new vehicle off the lot anyway though). It has been in two accidents, including smoking a 12-point buck at around 100km/h and I was still able to drive it two hours home with a shredded front clip. We've had to get the rear window repaired under warranty (it leaked), but that's a known problem and there's a revised part, and again, we had a loaner, and no failed repairs or issues that couldn't be sorted.

We've also had better luck at work with the 1500 RAM's reliability-wise than the F-150's, but when the RAM's do go, it tends to be major (lifter failure on two of them now), which takes them out of service permanently at around 200,000 miles. The F-150's have had more repairs, but they weren't catastrophic, like having to have the entire A/C system rebuilt, or the cooling system completely overhauled, or having the hangar bearing assembly go out.

Of course the GM trucks are prone to the same lifter failure problem as the RAM's, so that would be our experience with those as well, if we had any in the fleet.
I'm mostly just bitter. I do have a GM truck but it's a non-AFM iron block 6.0 vortec, I agree completely about the GM lifters.
 
I'm mostly just bitter. I do have a GM truck but it's a non-AFM iron block 6.0 vortec, I agree completely about the GM lifters.
Well, that's fair I think. We got rid of our EcoDiesel because we feared the short tripping my wife was doing with it (driving like 2 miles to work) was going to lead to big emissions systems issues down the road. Which sucked, because the fuel economy was nuts, and it was great when we were using it to commute to the cottage and stuff, but it was doing a regen once a week once she started short-tripping and that couldn't be good for it.
 
Well, that's fair I think. We got rid of our EcoDiesel because we feared the short tripping my wife was doing with it (driving like 2 miles to work) was going to lead to big emissions systems issues down the road. Which sucked, because the fuel economy was nuts, and it was great when we were using it to commute to the cottage and stuff, but it was doing a regen once a week once she started short-tripping and that couldn't be good for it.
Yeah I had a 2013 Rubicion Unlimited. It was a lot of fun and had no peer - it was the only vehicle on the market like it. But after god knows how many trips to the dealer for death wobble and heater core issues, I just couldn't love it. I bought a really basic 2500HD and it's been great.

So much of this is dumb luck though, I mean some guy is bringing home a new Chevy 2500HD today and will have tons of problems with it, trade it in on a Wrangler in a few years and not have any problems. Then he'll come on the forum and complain about the Chevy a decade later :ROFLMAO:
 
Had a Liberty with that engine and 287,000 miles, so they can't be too bad. But of course, I owned one so have first hand experience. 90% of the people that rag on a particular model or engine have never actually owned one.

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Oh look how reliable your liberty is with its EML on. Did you put the 287,000 miles on it? If not then who’s to say what repairs it had had up-to that point.
 
Oh look how reliable your liberty is with its EML on. Did you put the 287,000 miles on it? If not then who’s to say what repairs it had had up-to that point.
You do know what an "EML" light on means? The computer flagged an anomaly in the engine management system. Gas cap loose, vacuum hose cut or other minor things. Could as well happen on a Toyota. Not sure it would happen on a 287,000 mile Audi though, as nobody has been able to drive one that far.
 
You do know what an "EML" light on means? The computer flagged an anomaly in the engine management system. Gas cap loose, vacuum hose cut or other minor things. Could as well happen on a Toyota. Not sure it would happen on a 287,000 mile Audi though, as nobody has been able to drive one that far.
If it was something minor why hadn’t you fixed it? Could also be something a bit more major like an under boosting turbo.

Toyota’s don’t last more than 10 years here so it would be a very rare sight to have one at 287,000 miles, plenty of Audi’s driving around with High miles too.
 
If it was something minor why hadn’t you fixed it? Could also be something a bit more major like an under boosting turbo.

Toyota’s don’t last more than 10 years here so it would be a very rare sight to have one at 287,000 miles, plenty of Audi’s driving around with High miles too.
Really?
 
Rust is a big issue for Toyota, Ive seen suspension arm mountings torn off the uni body where they have been weakened by rust. Yaris sump pans holed etc. Our cold one day warm the next winter climate with the heavy salt spreading is perfect for rust formation and Japanese cars do not last long term.
 
Rust is a big issue for Toyota, Ive seen suspension arm mountings torn off the uni body where they have been weakened by rust. Yaris sump pans holed etc. Our cold one day warm the next winter climate with the heavy salt spreading is perfect for rust formation and Japanese cars do not last long term.
All brand have there own big issues.
Yes, they rust, some models more than others. But my own experiences with MB and Ford is much worse when it comes to rust.
 
Oh look how reliable your liberty is with its EML on. Did you put the 287,000 miles on it? If not then who’s to say what repairs it had had up-to that point.
A CEL doesn’t necessarily always mean “check engine.” I got one once because I unplugged the ABS fuse so I could do donuts in the snow.
 
Dealer Tech here....Funny part is, the newest design has been trouble free mostly, other than a few software updates. And they are all getting a new CP3 injector pump, under a recall. The big thing on the early ones, was too thin of an oil/too long change interval, and EGR cooler failure. EGR cooler was recalled, and they updated to 5/40. I rec 7.5k LOFs max but some people push that to their detriment.

2 reasons these are dead(and other 1/2 ton diesels), well 3 sort of. 1, people got burnt on engines(eco diesel), so no way are they coming back for a second go around, 2 typical buyer was a gas person, and had no idea how much maint. was on a diesel compared to gas, and 3 diesel fuel alot higher right now.
I’m new here and not sure to post but I’ve seen you chime in on a few. I have a question
about my sons 1500. I hope it’s ok I post here.
He bought it from a dealership at 119,000 Km. He had it for almost 13,000 Km and the engine blew.
I contacted the dealership after he paid for a new engine, to demand the RO from prior to purchase. Upon receiving the order we found out the engine had been leaking oil badly from the oil cooler, they changed the oil and later changed the oil cooler. They didn’t do a flush or an oil analysis. It was driven for 75 days and 13,000 Km then the engine had catastrophic failure. This repair also wasn’t disclosed upon sale and wasn’t found out until I asked for the RO. My curiosity is, with this engine cooler being changed and no flush being done, or an oil analysis , is there any way this could have contributed to the engine failure. I’d like to pursue the dealership for cost of the new engine (I’m in Canada), I’ve spoken to one dodge dealership and they stated a flush is required and is quite the process. Could there be a connection here ?
Thank you!
Rikki
 
Those are impressive discounts. Maybe I'm not looking correctly on that site, but I don't see a single Ram 1500 classic? Pretty much all you're going to find in my area on a lot is a 2022 Ram 1500 classic warlock. 5th gens are mostly order and wait.
Yep-but California. Can't take delivery in the state without paying California sales tax. You have to have it shipped to you with a certified Bill of Lading.
 
Yep-but California. Can't take delivery in the state without paying California sales tax. You have to have it shipped to you with a certified Bill of Lading.
Yeah, I got bit by this. I surprised my little sister years ago when I got her a RX450h as a gift. The car had to be registered and taxed here even though they were driving it back to Washington a week later. WA was helpful as they only made them pay registration.

I was pretty mad; I think the dealer could have told me about this before the purchase. An expensive surprise.
 
I’m new here and not sure to post but I’ve seen you chime in on a few. I have a question
about my sons 1500. I hope it’s ok I post here.
He bought it from a dealership at 119,000 Km. He had it for almost 13,000 Km and the engine blew.
I contacted the dealership after he paid for a new engine, to demand the RO from prior to purchase. Upon receiving the order we found out the engine had been leaking oil badly from the oil cooler, they changed the oil and later changed the oil cooler. They didn’t do a flush or an oil analysis. It was driven for 75 days and 13,000 Km then the engine had catastrophic failure. This repair also wasn’t disclosed upon sale and wasn’t found out until I asked for the RO. My curiosity is, with this engine cooler being changed and no flush being done, or an oil analysis , is there any way this could have contributed to the engine failure. I’d like to pursue the dealership for cost of the new engine (I’m in Canada), I’ve spoken to one dodge dealership and they stated a flush is required and is quite the process. Could there be a connection here ?
Thank you!
Rikki
It was probably mixing oil and coolant from failed cooler. Yes it should have been flushed till oil was clean....usually a couple of oil changes does it. That said , these things blow up all the time. I honestly don't know why people buy them with the widespread known issues they have. Only way one might have a good chance of living to high miles is turn off egr with a tune when new and frequent oil changes. Do some live anyway? Yep....but tons blow up. They are are biggest engine failure of anything we make ....by far.
It's worth a try for some help on cost , but unless it had an extended warranty it's out by 13k
 
Not to take away from all the Eco Diesel disasters, but the 5.0 Cummins Diesel in the Nissan Titan has been yet another "modern diesel" train wreck in the making. This one went down in just 40,000 miles. A long block is north of $20K. I can't help but feel sorry for the owner.

I think if more people knew just how much these things cost when they go down out of warranty, there would be far fewer of them on the road.

 
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