GM Still speccing DexIII

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Drove 100 miles in a Colorado today, and took this photo of the manual (poorly, car was moving).

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So the manual trans specs DexIII...and Dex III is obsolete, so wonder what they really spec...

Vehicle was an auto, 2.8L turbodiesel....interestingly, on the vehicle diagnostics screen, the only paramaters are voltage, and transmission temperature (79.5C in traffic, after highway)...9.5l/100km average fuel consumption since new.
 
Dex 3 isn't obsolete, it's just not licensed by GM anymore, how many years is this going to keep up?!
 
Dexron III has a viscosity of 7.0 cSt@100C and an ATF addpack.

The Synchromesh Transmission Fluid has a viscosity of 10.5 cSt@100C and an MTF addpack.

So I doubt they are the same as you imply.
 
To the OP:

I assume this is a new 2016 Chevy Colorado with a 2.8L diesel engine? I thought those weren't due until the fall.

I was under the impression that GM no longer did anything with DexIII as Dex VI takes place of it.

Oh well. Does the Colorado you were in have a manual transmission?
 
Originally Posted By: stchman
To the OP:

I assume this is a new 2016 Chevy Colorado with a 2.8L diesel engine? I thought those weren't due until the fall.

I was under the impression that GM no longer did anything with DexIII as Dex VI takes place of it.

Oh well. Does the Colorado you were in have a manual transmission?


OP is in Australia so they probably have it already
 
Originally Posted By: stchman
To the OP:

I assume this is a new 2016 Chevy Colorado with a 2.8L diesel engine? I thought those weren't due until the fall.

I was under the impression that GM no longer did anything with DexIII as Dex VI takes place of it.

Oh well. Does the Colorado you were in have a manual transmission?


We've had them is Asutralia for a couple of years...this one had 7,000 miles on it, and was an auto. (6 speed auto, 6 speed manual available).

I was very pleasantly surprised at the auto programming...if you start to over-run the cruise control, it drops a gear or two for you to hold the speed.

There's a special on them next weekend, $36990 off the lot ($15K cheaper than a Hilux).
 
Originally Posted By: zach1900
Dex 3 isn't obsolete, it's just not licensed by GM anymore, how many years is this going to keep up?!


DEXRON-III is an obsolete specification. It has not been recognised, maintained or licenced by GM since 2005.
 
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Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
Didn't the manual transmission applications, especially the T-56 and TR-6060 never update to Dex-VI when the changeover happened?


Indeed and that is exactly what the manual transmission and transfer case fluid is. The old ATF.
 
Originally Posted By: Whitewolf
Originally Posted By: bdcardinal
Didn't the manual transmission applications, especially the T-56 and TR-6060 never update to Dex-VI when the changeover happened?


Indeed and that is exactly what the manual transmission and transfer case fluid is. The old ATF.


Ford did the same thing. Their XL-12 Transfer Case fluid is what would have been Dex3/Mercon. However Ford deemed use in manual gearboxes acceptable for units that called for ATF. I guess it caused fits on the Mustang forums because people would call Tremec about issues and their tech department would recommend a synchromesh fluid.
 
In the case of DEXRON-VI I believe it was never tested and validated.

The reality is that testing and validation requires resource expenditure and if there is no problem and no advantage why do it?
 
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Originally Posted By: Whitewolf
In the case of DEXRON-VI I believe it was never tested and validated.

The reality is that testing and validation requires resource expenditure and if there is no problem and no advantage why do it?


I don't just think it was a "testing and validation" issue, as the Dex 6 IS actually too thin (by specced cSt @ 100*C) for use in, or the protection of a T56 OR TR6060.

AGAIN; Penrite, PLEASE PLEASE make your Pro Gear 70W-75 MTF available over here!!!
 
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Originally Posted By: Whitewolf
In the case of DEXRON-VI I believe it was never tested and validated.

The reality is that testing and validation requires resource expenditure and if there is no problem and no advantage why do it?


I don't just think it was a "testing and validation" issue, as the Dex 6 IS actually too thin (by specced cSt @ 100*C) for use in, or the protection of a T56 OR TR6060.

AGAIN; Penrite, PLEASE PLEASE make your Pro Gear 70W-75 MTF available over here!!!


DEXRON-VI starts at a lower viscosity but does not shear down as much as DEXRON-III did so the 'too thin' argument is just silly.
 
Originally Posted By: Whitewolf
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Originally Posted By: Whitewolf
In the case of DEXRON-VI I believe it was never tested and validated.

The reality is that testing and validation requires resource expenditure and if there is no problem and no advantage why do it?


I don't just think it was a "testing and validation" issue, as the Dex 6 IS actually too thin (by specced cSt @ 100*C) for use in, or the protection of a T56 OR TR6060.

AGAIN; Penrite, PLEASE PLEASE make your Pro Gear 70W-75 MTF available over here!!!


DEXRON-VI starts at a lower viscosity but does not shear down as much as DEXRON-III did so the 'too thin' argument is just silly.


It's absolutely not silly.
You overlook the fact that Dex III starts out thicker.
There are numerous examples of ruined manual transmissions from the use of factory filled Dex III that was past it's use by date(That's the issue).
Also transmissions that are used in arduous applications which have not done too well with a fill of Dex III.
Hence the quest for a fluid(any fluid) that does a better job of protecting the internals whilst still balancing proper synchroniser functionality.
In some race applications, there are people who are using thicker fluids.

The too thin argument has merit, and it's entirely dependant upon application.
Dex VI is just fine for Auto's designed to use it.

When Dex VI first emerged it was back spec'd for Dex III applications by GM.
In order to preserve the transmissions over the nominated service interval(filled for life), GM eventually increased the nominated fluid quantity of Dex III by 10%.
GM continues to use a non-Dex III fluid as the factory fill, and happily supplies a non-Dex III fluid as a service fill.
At the time GM omitted to state that it didn't apply to the bigger manual transmission they were using at the time and continue to use.
I believe it was over looked and I think a TSB was issued in this regard.
There were people wanting to put it into their T56 transmissions thinking it was going to be the next "big thing". It didn't work out that way for them at all.
Guess what they are running in the units now?

No vehicle manufacturers spec a non-Dex III fluid for the T56/TR6060 for a number of very very good reasons.
Tremec knows full well, the minimum lubrication requirements of their transmissions and advise accordingly.
I would be inclined to think that they wouldn't waste their resources trying to validate Dex VI knowing full well the outcome.
 
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Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Originally Posted By: Whitewolf
In the case of DEXRON-VI I believe it was never tested and validated.

The reality is that testing and validation requires resource expenditure and if there is no problem and no advantage why do it?


I don't just think it was a "testing and validation" issue, as the Dex 6 IS actually too thin (by specced cSt @ 100*C) for use in, or the protection of a T56 OR TR6060.

AGAIN; Penrite, PLEASE PLEASE make your Pro Gear 70W-75 MTF available over here!!!


Amsoil MTF is available to you over there.
I think Castrol VMX 80w will be available and is a GL 4 fluid which can perform very well.
There is no requirement for a synthetic fluid in the application.
 
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