More like sitting 5 hours to charge in some podunk town after a day of off roading seems like a waste of time when with ICE I can fill up in 5 minutes and be on my way.
GM installing chargers for all EVs at dealers
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Tesla's market share vs all cars in its target market continues to grow. It is not shrinking. It is MBZ, Lexus, BMW, etc that are losing market share and they continue to do so.
@alarmguy you posted 2021 numbers and USA only. Perhaps look at the current big picture.
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The philosophy of "not charging to full" (unlike ICE) has been discussed and explained many times. Apparently you and others on here have missed it.
This absolutely works. I can’t tell you how many gleaming new Mercedes on the showroom floor have caught my eye as I’ve walked back to the parts department.
So, you plug it in and seconds later it’s charged up?
That’s incredible - as in, beyond credibility.
You mean, it takes a few seconds to plug in, so that recharging can begin?
IM only concerned about the USA and this was in context to your post regarding gasoline vehicles vs Tesla.
It is also correct that Tesla share of the EV market in the USA is down 15% latest numbers and previous down 12% confirmed numbers.
From 79% to 69% and now to 65% for the first 9 months of 2022 (see link below)
There are many subjects in your post comparing gasoline sales to top selling EV model of one brand which EV sales wise is tiny faction of combined vehicle gasoline sales..and *LOL* Im trying oh so hard to keep my post short.
Anyway, to confirm the second line in my post -
https://electrek.co/2022/11/29/tesla-owns-us-ev-market-but-losing-market-shares-data/
Now what does one think will happen when the USA legacy makers start turning out vehicles middle income America is willing to pay? More so for what will be most likely a specialized vehicle for more local driving or second car.
The trend has already started, so to say Tesla with a starting price of $60,000 is going to hold market share, I would in my opinion disagree. I cant help but feel I am starting to see it here in SC, where energy is dirt cheap, seeing a mix of EVs when at one time it was only Tesla. One thing for sure, they cant be buying them to save gas money with gasoline dirt cheap at under $3.00 a gallon. This week anyway! Then again, electric is dirt cheap here too, so I guess its a matter of what your preference is.
But what do I know, maybe I am missing something here ... ? Time will tell, it's fun to speculate, I have no money in it, yet.
(this is funny)
I am re-reading my post and this country is so huge land wise and the west coast so far away, it might as well be another country and sometimes in the forums we forget that.
I mean, I paid I think $2.88 for regular gas this week, electric is 13 cents kWh and that is the more expensive Dominion Electric, local co-ops where we moved from closer to 10 cents. Just chatting ...have a good day...
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Maybe, or maybe it's to charge the cars they are repairing, lord knows they are going to need it.
It's such a hardship to plug a vehicle in the garage every day.
And I've somehow managed to avoid tripping over the cord the probably 1500 times I've plugged it in to charge in my garage.
Or an actual high speed charger can have me out in 15.
It's zero trips a week if you can plug in at home.
No-I'm not explaining to this you because you clearly haven't read the previous threads. Have you heard of a home charger? You are not only anti EV-you don't have a clue as to what you are talking about.
Of course. But that's all I have to do.
How many people are able to fuel up while having a beer on the patio?
Unfortunately the ultra fast chargers can shorten battery life. And I can’t imagine GM’s prismatic cells are going to tolerate a lot of fast charges before they bloat. GM already rates the battery life at 150,000 miles. Which is half of what Tesla claims.
as always: Cylindrical cells have structural advantages. Preventing unwanted expansion is chief among these advantages. Watch Tesla push the limits with the 4680 v2 and v3
as always: Cylindrical cells have structural advantages. Preventing unwanted expansion is chief among these advantages. Watch Tesla push the limits with the 4680 v2 and v3
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What do GM and Tesla warranty their batteries vs what they claim is their life?
The best way of working is to charge whilst doing something else, meaning it adds virtually no extra time to your day. Charge in the shopping mall parking lot, at the movie theatre, at a restaurant, at home, whatever. For the significant majority of journey types this works fine. The idea that an EV can't do long haul is distorting the reality that long haul journeys by car are a significant minority of journey types. Obviously that is based on average use data - individuals will have specific needs that will inform their own decisions.
It's also practically 0 if you try to charge that lovely EV that's sitting outside and it's less than 32 degrees outside... There's reasons why for such a extremely low charge rate below 32 degrees... Read up on those fun details at Cadex Battery University.... A website that is extremely educational and definitely not against batteries.
And let us all look at a map of the US and see just how vast an area of the lower 48 have average low temperatures below 32 for the months of December, January and February... It's a lot more real estate than most would think about. Even in my area of southeast Virginia we achieve that low bar. Think about that for those who live in areas where it's well colder than where I am Washington DC, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, St Louis, Harrisburg PA, Columbus Ohio, Chicago, Indianapolis, Louisville, Des Moines, Kansas City, Cleveland, Toledo, Detroit, Buffalo, Charleston WV, Hartford CT, Albany NY, Philadelphia, Boston, Augusta, Burlington VT etc etc etc etc... Leaving out Wisconsin, Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, Utah and Colorado which are areas where it's even well colder than places . mentioned.
And it's ZERO charging happening below -10C aka 14 degrees F. Like 0.... Nada. There's huge reason why you can't do that. Read about that on Cadex Battery University too.
Your in SE Virginia, we are in central South Carolina. Many people do not realize once you get 100 miles in from the coast it can get pretty cold at times. Even here in South Carolina. Typically doesnt last long more than a few days to a week at a time, a couple times over the winter but if what you say is true it could be an issue even here and further west in SC where it gets much colder for sure.
Not unusual to have many winter nights in the 20's and high teens less so but still happens and more rare low teens. So go west from here and you can imagine, all the way into NC, TN and so on.
This gives an idea of the extremes of the city, outlying areas much colder and of course head further west and colder from there. We moved from NY 16 years ago and was surprised at how cold it can get but as I said, doesnt last long. https://www.currentresults.com/Year...a/extreme-annual-columbia-low-temperature.php
There is a lot of truth to that. People just don't like change. I'm not for or against EVs but I do see a lot of misdirected anger towards EVs.