GM installing chargers for all EVs at dealers

I did not miss your point, but instead wanted to add my experience.

While I do appreciate his videos, in many of the early EV vids, he "skews" the numbers via omission of facts. I called him out multiple times. He often ignores how much power is purchased. To my point below, the battery is HEATED when cold, and this requires more power to be purchased. ONE CANNOT USE THE DASHBOARD DISPLAY to indicate power used.

The Winter road trip was a pretty good video. But it DOES NOT represent winter ops for someone who parks outside, such as in the lot during a cold day at work. In Canada, the Model 3 we had experienced a HUGE range loss when the battery got cold. Sitting outside in the winter cold, when not "plugged in" kills capacity. Jason's car had a warm battery for maybe, 90% of his trip, maybe 100%.

Again, if you can't "plug in" when the car is in the cold for a long period of time, range suffers.

But let's not kid ourselves, range suffers in the cold on gas powered cars too. Although my Jag X-Type seems to get better MPG in the winter. Prob because I'm not running the AC.

Jasons pretty good, I occasionally catch a glitch myself.
Bjorn uses an external monitor that gives you cell voltage to measure battery loss.

Curious were you using a heat pump car?

For sure an 8 hour shift in a parking lot will cost energy, and a 15 hour overnight park more -

One canadian guy timed the interior heat up on a -34 deg morning from -23 to + 20 in 4 minutes.
He came up with about a 9% loss overnight (15 hours) using the dashboard.
 
250,000 miles for a Bolt battery isn't all that impressive.Tesla estimates their battery's life to be a million miles although they won't put that in writing yet as far as a warranty goes. But who is going to drive any vehicle for more than 250,000 miles anyway ? Very few owners compared to those who get tired of a car after 8-10 years. However, for Robotaxi applications, we will see very high mileage accumulating on those EV's and it will be interesting to see how they hold up.

Regarding reliability of EV's that have over 200,000 miles on them, what are the failure points to be concerned with vs. ICE vehicles ?
Fuel pump failures, blown radiator hoses or broken fan belts, dead 12V batteries, and other things that can ruin a road trip ? Ummm.....
no. But there are probably other components that are shared with ICE vehicles that could fail after that many miles and leave one in the middle of nowhere.

For the EV owners, what kind of preventive maintenance and normal wear & tear items (other than tires and brakes) need to be addressed over time ? I'm sure the costs are negligible compared to what we are accustomed to with ICE vehicles.
 
Curious were you using a heat pump car?
Model 3, honestly don't know. I don't believe the heat was the problem with regard to range. Although the heat was not very powerful. I was glad to get back into the 4wd F150. The Tesla worked OK, but the Ford was a better choice for the Canada winter. Round about guess, the loss of range was about 40%.
 
Which is fine - if EVs weren't being forced on us. If the people want them, let them buy them. But same for ICE - if people want them, keep building them as well. Instead, the powers that be seem to want to force us onto a technology that can't truly replace the predecessor yet in all use cases that people are accustomed to.
This! It's the political Ideology of all or nothing. In 1990 California wanted ALL vehicle sales to be electric by 1998, and we all know how that went. I'm tired of companies being handed millions of dollars to go electric. If you want one buy one if not I shouldn't have to purchase one after 2035.
 
Model 3, honestly don't know. I don't believe the heat was the problem with regard to range. Although the heat was not very powerful. I was glad to get back into the 4wd F150. The Tesla worked OK, but the Ford was a better choice for the Canada winter. Round about guess, the loss of range was about 40%.
Sounds right in line with what Ive seen. Especially if you are letting it get cold or starting cold.
Heat pump cars seem a bit better.
More cobalt in the batteries would help but thats a political landmine.
 
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What is making the people think they want an Ev?
My car is a blast. I will get another; ICE cars have been rendered to old skool status; fun and good in lotsa ways but on a lower level. That's why I want an EV; your results may vary. Each to their own, as they say.
 
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I've reached 350K+ a few times now. I only have one vehicle under 200K at the moment. My Jaguar F-Type, with 29K.
I have a Tercel at 365k and a CR-V at 299k. The CR-V is a 2005 and when I’m on the road and looking around, I’m usually driving the oldest vehicle in sight. Folks do not generally get close to 250k, at least in my area.
 
I think the idea is to lure all drivers of electric vehicles to a GM dealership for whatever reason; not to recharge the population's cars for reasons of generosity.
Actually, calling these chargers "trappings", (hollow suggestions or props to establish a mood) of customer service, might be the most accurate use of the word as dealerships are known to do whatever they can to trap a customer.

COMPLETELY INEXCUSABLE NASTY COMMENT: I "can't wait" to see the grumbling clowns dealerships send outside to police the chargers.
Notoriously evil/dishonest people pretending to help customers charge their cars....? You gotta be kidding, right?
I want to hear one of those monkeys say to a customer, "Ma'am, you can't park there because it's a charging station."
Also, can you imagine how the pecking order thing will work? "It ain't my job, I did it last time!".

The natural and unwavering contempt with which the front end of dealerships displays to people can't dance well with "free services".

Hey GM, bring back the Vega. Call it the GR TT....Got it Right This Time......but build it the same way.
Nah. I have had both a BMW and a Kia dealership offer to charge my Volvo. Sales people dont pay that bill, and they know people remember things. The first car I bought myself? C6 z06. I bought it from the dealer that sold me parts at cost + 10% when I was in college and needed to keep my aging f-body on the road. Customers remember.
 
What is making the people think they want an Ev?
I had an acura rdx aspec advance. One of the more athletic SUVs in its class. It cost $55K. 272hp, 280# tq. 0-60 low 6s. It cost me about $500/mo to fuel it per month.

I am buying a Kia ev6 Gt. Literal supercar level acceleration, similar interior features to the RDX, better handling, also has adaptive suspension and torque vectoring diff like the RDX. 0-60 in the low 3s. An SUV. Low. 3s. It will cost me $64k.

Get this though...it will cost me $80/mo to fuel it.

Thats...$420 (lolz...) in savings that can absorb the rest of the difference in note, be applied to other things, etc. and the performance is staggering.
 
Cujet, from your posts you do a lot of long freeway trips. That kinda skews your numbers into outlier territory. But 350K is quite an achievement none the less! Bravo!
My dad had 438k miles on his carpet cleaning van. Chevy 2500 (3500?) Woth 5.3L Vortec and 4L65e?. Never replaced or rebuilt engine or trans, although intake manifold gasket and water pumps and stuff like that had to be done. He retired it because the floor rotted out (constant exposure to water and chemicals). He drove it hard, and almost all miles were in town, of course the intestate highway went through town, but still. Carpet cleaning. Not long haul road trips.
 
I had an acura rdx aspec advance. One of the more athletic SUVs in its class. It cost $55K. 272hp, 280# tq. 0-60 low 6s. It cost me about $500/mo to fuel it per month.

I am buying a Kia ev6 Gt. Literal supercar level acceleration, similar interior features to the RDX, better handling, also has adaptive suspension and torque vectoring diff like the RDX. 0-60 in the low 3s. An SUV. Low. 3s. It will cost me $64k.

Get this though...it will cost me $80/mo to fuel it.

Thats...$420 (lolz...) in savings that can absorb the rest of the difference in note, be applied to other things, etc. and the performance is staggering.
Sounds like a great decision for you. Perfect example why different propulsion systems (EV or ICE) will be a customized solution for a lot of people when properly thought out.
Nice post with real facts.
 
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I have a Tercel at 365k and a CR-V at 299k. The CR-V is a 2005 and when I’m on the road and looking around, I’m usually driving the oldest vehicle in sight. Folks do not generally get close to 250k, at least in my area.
Not many hit that mileage here either, unless it's a cab or something. Rust and pot holes usually get them. I wonder what impact rust and potholes have on an EV over the long run. There aren't enough early adopters around here to report back yet.
 
Not many hit that mileage here either, unless it's a cab or something. Rust and pot holes usually get them. I wonder what impact rust and potholes have on an EV over the long run. There aren't enough early adopters around here to report back yet.
I'm guessing it will be the same - if you're in the rust belt they'll go to the crusher early....except there will be extra costs related to dealing with the batteries
 
I'm guessing it will be the same - if you're in the rust belt they'll go to the crusher early....except there will be extra costs related to dealing with the batteries

I dont believe the data from Norway supports that claim- at least with Teslas...
 
I had an acura rdx aspec advance. One of the more athletic SUVs in its class. It cost $55K. 272hp, 280# tq. 0-60 low 6s. It cost me about $500/mo to fuel it per month.

I am buying a Kia ev6 Gt. Literal supercar level acceleration, similar interior features to the RDX, better handling, also has adaptive suspension and torque vectoring diff like the RDX. 0-60 in the low 3s. An SUV. Low. 3s. It will cost me $64k.

Get this though...it will cost me $80/mo to fuel it.

Thats...$420 (lolz...) in savings that can absorb the rest of the difference in note, be applied to other things, etc. and the performance is staggering.

Curious has anyone put an Ev6 on a roller test to see how its AWD performs ?
 
Playing the "caveman from the past who doesn't understand anything new" card, is a little tired.
It’s almost as tired as the “All dealership employees are slimebags…stealerships hur dee durr” posts that pop up here every few months. I’m always impressed when people can know all about someone’s character by their occupation and always wonder if they could do the same by their ethnicity, religion or gender.
 
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