GM and Honda calling it quits...

Woke (no pun intended) up to the fact that current EV technology is not going to win over the masses as fast as they thought.
Nothing wrong with that, had to run with it until the picture became more clear. We haven't even started out the gate with EVs yet and already signs that supply (production) may vastly outstrip what was projected demand in the USA anyway.
 
I still believe it's possible to make a fuel that puts out next to zero emissions. Who's to blame; the engine or the fuel?
 
Honda is still doing F1 and in 2021 they introduced their own hybrid battery, so I wonder if they found GM wasn't contributing as much? Or just diverging ideas on how to go forward?
Also F1 engines have now got 50% thermal efficiency, so perhaps honda is working on a more hybrid based plan for their vehicles?
 
Oillover said:
Not surprising.

"EV madness" has been circling the toilet bowl for quite a while.
It was only a matter of time before the big players realize it's futility and stop wasting precious resources on it.
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Many of the large manufacturers have already gone to Congress to explain jow ridiculous the mandate is.
 
IndyIan said:
Like hydrogen? I don't know if current industrial farming techniques can get ethanol to near zero global warming gases?
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Alcohol fuels made out of bacteria waste. The bacterial waste is an oil. Think of green algae floating on top of a pond. There's technology available to replicate that environment using tanks with multiple layers of water with added in UV light to replicate sunshine.
 
Moderator request - I should have tagged this onto the lyric charging curve thread.

I didnt put enough meat into it as a stand alone and thats not fair to Bitog or you guys.

After a year of shipping the mid sized ultium platform appears to be underperforming as of a month ago neither Lyric or the blazer weren't yet put into GM's press fleet for wide testing and comparison (hmmm) leaving most renting one to find out what it can do.

Ultium batteries have been late due to packaging constraints.

One could conclude Honda is cutting bait from this due to charging and associated HVAC performance, but who knows.

Hondas latest offering in the space appears rather meager as well.
 
Soft Cars said:
Alcohol fuels made out of bacteria waste. The bacterial waste is an oil. Think of green algae floating on top of a pond. There's technology available to replicate that environment using tanks with multiple layers of water with added in UV light to replicate sunshine.
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The fact that alcohol & ethanol are hydrocarbons/carbohydrates means carbon will be emitted after combustion. Hydrogen will burn without any carbon emissions. If burned with pure oxygen, the result will be water. Burned in air containing 78% nitrogen, there will probably be oxides of nitrogen emitted.
 
garageman402 said:
The fact that alcohol & ethanol are hydrocarbons/carbohydrates means carbon will be emitted after combustion. Hydrogen will burn without any carbon emissions. If burned with pure oxygen, the result will be water. Burned in air containing 78% nitrogen, there will probably be oxides of nitrogen emitted.
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What about the amount of carbon emitted after combustion; the same as gasoline?
 
EVs will stall out.

The primary reason is that anthropomorphic global warming is a fanstasma. Most people know it. Another recent study from a scientific group in Norway said that any temp increase is insignificant and can't be attributed to human activity.

Drip, drip, drip.
 
Soft Cars said:
What about the amount of carbon emitted after combustion; the same as gasoline?
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Don't really know if it's more or less. The question was if there is any fuel that will not emit any carbon. You would have to examine the molecular structure to see how many carbon atoms per molecule, & how many molecules would be required to deliver a set amount of energy. The carbon will bind to oxygen & create CO2
 
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