general timing chain info.

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Detailed Topics Timing Chain Problems II Submit As a timing chain wears and gets longer, the camshaft starts to lag behind the crankshaft. We call this problem retarding the camshaft timing. An engine with retarded camshaft timing has lower performance and poor fuel economy. When a timing chain elongates, cam timing is retarded On engines with tensioners, the device extends and takes up slack on the idle side of the chain. This helps to keep the chain tight, but does not restore camshaft timing. Only replacing the worn chain and sprocket will restore proper mechanical timing. Timing chain tensioners The oil pressure of the engine hydraulically operates most timing chain tensioners. When the engine starts, oil pressure allows the tensioner to push the guide against the chain and remove slack. Turning off the engine causes the oil pressure to return to zero. With no oil pressure, gravity pushes the oil in the upper part of the engine, back to the oil pan. This leaves the passages, where the oil flows, empty and increases the time it takes to return oil to the tensioner on startup. Quality OEM filter with the proper drain back valve An anti drain-back valve, in a quality oil filter, helps keep oil in the passages, leading to the hydraulic tensioner. It does this by blocking the return of oil through the filter, to the oil pan. Without oil in the passages, it takes longer for the oil pump to pressurize the tensioner. Lack of tension prevents slack in the timing chain from being taken up. Allowing a timing chain to jerks on startup, increases wear and may break the chain guides. Once a chain guide breaks, camshaft timing may be erratic and engine performance will suffer. This is one way substandard oil filters promote timing chain problems. Oil and timing chain wear Another source of timing chain problems is oil of the wrong viscosity. A lower viscosity oil will flow faster than a heavier oil, especially when cold. Engine designers specify lower viscosity oil to promote quicker flow. Many engines with timing chains now specify 0W20 oil viscosity. Quickly pressurizing the hydraulic tensioner keeps the chain tight and reduces guide breakage. Timing chains also have very specific lubrication requirements. Modern engines with timing chains, may have oil specifications which only synthetic oil will meet. This is not an option or a suggestion. Oil that does not meet the requirements will cause timing chain wear and very expensive problems. This is even more critical on direct-injection engines, which may use the timing chain to drive the injector pump. Extra load on the chain, combined with insufficient oil, is a recipe for disaster. Symptoms of a worn timing chain One of the more common symptoms of a worn timing chain is noise, especially on startup. A rattling noise coming from the engine may show a seriously worn timing chain. Slack in the chain allows it to strike the timing cover. This may produce debris, worn from the timing cover or produce a hole in the cover and a serious oil leak. Ford modular V-8 engines, such as the 4.6, 5.0 and 5.4 liter seem to have a particular problem with this. After a few seconds, the tensioners tighten the chains and the noise stops. Lack of the noise after running, does not suggest the lack of a problem. The tensioners are masking the noise. Ford timing cover worn from slack in timing chain Worn chains may rub on the timing cover and internal engine damage may result. A timing chain, which slips on its sprockets, will stop the engine and may cause extensive damage. The General Motors 3.6 liter engine also appears to have timing chain problems. Extended oil changes combined with a weak design, may cause this engine to jump timing at low mileage. Engine removal to replace timing chains on GM 3.6L The most common symptoms are a check engine light and low engine performance. An update to the engine computer changes the oil-reminder interval and reduces engine performance. Correction requires engine removal and timing chain and sprocket replacement. Timing chain wear often gets misdiagnosed and may cause a rough idle, a lack of performance, reduced fuel mileage and several check engine light codes. Finding the problem is difficult, as the timing chain is deep in the engine. In the past, we used the ignition distributor to show timing chain problems. Almost no engines have a distributor today and many no longer have timing marks. Verifying camshaft timing is often a matter of engine disassembly. We need several special tools on most engines to check valve timing. Some engines no longer have a key in the crankshaft and even positioning the sprocket requires a specialty tool set. Timing chain replacement on modern overhead cam engines is very complex. Many engines would benefit from restoring the camshaft timing to specifications, but repair is very involved and expensive. As with most things, prevention is a far more cost-effective plan. Preventing timing chain problems Use only the proper viscosity and specification oil Use only the OEM oil filter Change oil based on use and not just mileage Have any noises in the engine checked and repaired. Sorry about the length of the post, just a cut and paste of an article. I'm not sure of the total accuracy, but got me thinking a little.
 
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I changed a timing chain on a Saturn V-6 Opel engine. Boy was that a job.... I try to change the gears/chain if I'm doing gaskets on the timing cover. Already 90% there anyway. Good reminder about not going crazy on the wrong viscosity.
 
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Mercedes, BMW and Jaguar recommended oils as thick as the 20W-50 grade for their chain-driven OHC engines for years, and many of these designs were noted for their exceptional durability in service. Timing chain life in service is more a matter of design and materials quality (read as cost) than any other factor.
 
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Originally Posted By: Vern_in_IL
Will electronic VVT compensate for a worn chain?
Yes, to the degree it can. However, once the VVT can't compensate any more, it pops a code.
 
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The Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2L came out with a chain that was not up to the job. They now use a beefier chain. No TSBs or recalls on it though from Hyundai. Mitsubishi did have a recall on the 411B Evo X motor which is somewhat similar to the Hyundai 2L Theta, part of the world engine development with Chrysler/Mitsubishi / Hyundai, since dissolved. Here's a pic of the Hyundai chain, on the right and the replacement Mitsubishi chain on the left.
 
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Thank you for posting important engine info. I keep my vehicles a long time and a couple have suffered decreased performance and fuel economy. One used a chain and one used a belt. Now I can take steps to prevent future problems.
 
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Toyota's 22RE engine was notorious for stretched chains, broken guides and worn timing covers. Very strong running durable engine capable of withstanding serious abuse but if you planned on owning one for any length of time you had better get familiar with changing them out. I got to where I could change the chain, guides, and tensioner and check the oil pump and adjust the valves in about 3 to 3.5 hours.
 
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On a bicycle site it was pointed out that the chain was the most complex part of the bike, containing the most parts by far. I suspect on a car engine it is similar. Changing belts is a pain but it is an infrequent pain. I suspect some are less hard to do than others. Thankfully chains most go to high miles without issue.
 
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