22R Timing Chain noise on start up?

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My Toyota pick up with 22R engine has done 225000km and still has its original timing chain.
I have always had timing chain noise on start up(cold starts only) for a few seconds, once oil pressure is up it goes away.
I was reading this on Wikipedia and it got me worried:

Toyota swapped the dual row timing chain used in older engines for a single row chain with plastic guides in 1983. This system reduced drag on the engine, but was inherently problematic. Every 80,000 to 140,000 miles, the chain could stretch to the point that the hydraulic-operated chain tensioner can not take up any more slack. When this happens, the timing chain impacts driver's side chain guide, breaking the plastic within a few hundred miles of driving. If the engine continues to be operated after the guide breaks, the chain will stretch rapidly (an unfortunate characteristic of single row chains.) The loose chain causes inaccurate ignition timing which usually results in noticeable rough running. In continued operation, the chain can jump a tooth on the drive sprocket or break entirely, with either case resulting in engine damage from valve-piston collisions. Also, the stretched chain will slap against the side of the timing cover due to the broken guide, and can wear through the cover and into the coolant passage behind the water pump. This will cause coolant to drain in to the crankcase / oil pan, possibly causing damage to internal engine components such as the bearings, crankshaft, camshaft as well as damage caused by overheating due to the lack of coolant (since it has drained into the engine oil).

Should I be concerned as my mileage is +/- 140000miles, but it has made the noise since I got it from 27000 miles?

If it was seriously worn would I not have noise on warm starts as well and a permanent noise?

I did find some info on another site that recomended heavier oils 20W50/15W40

I have been using Castrol 10W40 for years but have changed to Delo 400 15W40 a few OC ago.
 
I've replaced a bazillion timing chains and runners in 22R's.

When the guide breaks the engine will have a slapping sound when it's running. This is the sound of the chain slapping around inside the timing cover.

Some noise at startup is normal untill the tensioner gets oil pressure. I believe the problem is why Toyota went from the PH8a filter to the tiny 3614.

The smaller filter fills with oil faster so less time for the chain to slap around.
 
If the noise is the same after all those miles i wouldnt be to concerned,With a hydraulic tensioner maybe a lighter weight oil would get to the tensioner faster and reduce the noise.
Maybe a 5w30 for 1 OCI to see if its viscosity related or not.
 
I have never seen the chain break, but the drivers side tensioner will break. You will then have one Heck of a noise while the chain hits and wears it's way into the side of the water pump housing. After several thousand miles you find you are loosing coolant and you engine oil will look like Cow Poop.
A little noise at start up is normal, don't worry about it.
When the time comes to replace the chain, a kits are available with a Steel backed, Drivers side, guide rail as a precaution.
There is a guy in Oregon called 'enginebuilder' or EPN that is a major supplier of these aftermarket kits, at very good prices.

These engines have a VERY long life, don't sweat, you may not ever have a problem, or at least, not for many more tens of thousands of miles.
 
Originally Posted By: Chris142
I've replaced a bazillion timing chains and runners in 22R's.

When the guide breaks the engine will have a slapping sound when it's running. This is the sound of the chain slapping around inside the timing cover.

Some noise at startup is normal untill the tensioner gets oil pressure. I believe the problem is why Toyota went from the PH8a filter to the tiny 3614.

The smaller filter fills with oil faster so less time for the chain to slap around.


Interesting about the filter size, that probably explains why the 3RZ engine has such a small filter compared with the 22R.
Thanks guys for the reassurance.
 
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