Gearing and powerbands

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I was just wondering do you put (generally speaking) a 4.56 gear on an engine that produces max power up in the powerband at around 6-7000 rpm?

3.73s in an engine making peak power in the 4000 range.

3.23 gears for an engine that has solid low end torque at 2500rpm
 
Depends on the application -- 4wd mudbog truck or dragster or daily driver or street machine or towing rig?
 
Originally Posted By: mjoekingz28
I was just wondering do you put (generally speaking) a 4.56 gear on an engine that produces max power up in the powerband at around 6-7000 rpm?

3.73s in an engine making peak power in the 4000 range.

3.23 gears for an engine that has solid low end torque at 2500rpm


I have 456s in the vette and its too much. But its more of a low torque motor with a 212/218 cam and small port 165cc alluminum heads. I have the governor tabs bent so that it starts in second gear. When I want first I manually shift it.

If you plan to do any hwy driving youll need a .7 overdrive.
 
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Originally Posted By: Kuato
Depends on the application -- 4wd mudbog truck or dragster or daily driver or street machine or towing rig?


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mjoekingz, that's generally the rule for general street/non-specific applications.

It really makes a difference too. Example I had put a much torquier engine into a car with 22.5 inch tires and didn't like the 4.39 final it was a real stump puller. So I dropped in a 4.11 in and it was great just about perfect. Then I dialed the net cam timing back to move the torque peak to the right of 5k RPM and at the same time moved up to 24 inch tires and added another 1k rpm to the maps for 8450rpm limiter. The result is ridiculously long gearing and a long wait for the meat of the powerband. Now I either need smaller tires or my 4.39 back.
 
I keep thinking about putting a 4.56 set in my avalanche for towing. Stock height tires. With the .7 OD it might not be that bad when not towing. Plus my truck weighs about 5850 with me in it.
 
Originally Posted By: Ramblejam
With the Avalanche powertrain, 4.10's and higher octane fuel makes all the difference.


I hate to spend what it costs to only go from 3.73 to 4.10. Would 4.56 be a bad choice? Would it be easier on the transmission?
 
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For GM truck ? I have had 3.73, 4.10, & 4.56 ... 1500 & 2500 ... Would never have 4.56 again unless mated with new gen 8 speeds or something like that is your game changer ...
What you gained in tug went flat at highway speeds.
I would not go past 4.10 if not pure off-road - and 4.10 in 4-Lo is no slouch in the soft stuff either ...
 
Originally Posted By: Ramblejam
With the Avalanche powertrain, 4.10's and higher octane fuel makes all the difference.


Especially with the 4.8 and 5.3. Here in our fleet everyone went for the Silverado with short gears, the difference was awesome...
 
Originally Posted By: spasm3
I hate to spend what it costs to only go from 3.73 to 4.10. Would 4.56 be a bad choice? Would it be easier on the transmission?


What are your goals?
What are you trying to accomplish?
 
Originally Posted By: mjoekingz28
I was just wondering do you put (generally speaking) a 4.56 gear on an engine that produces max power up in the powerband at around 6-7000 rpm?

3.73s in an engine making peak power in the 4000 range.

3.23 gears for an engine that has solid low end torque at 2500rpm


No, no, and no. You cannot make sweeping generalizations about axle ratio and engine RPM. The engine's RPM is also dependent on transmission gearing and tire size. Without knowing those other two things, it is impossible to know what RPM the engine will be running at. The RPM is of course, also dependent on how fast you're going.

You could have two identical cars with the SAME axle ratio, but one car has an overdrive transmission and the other does not. That would have a significant impact on cruising RPM, and you'd probably want a higher (numerically lower) axle ratio on the non-overdrive car.
 
I love low gears. I checked the gear ratio on my Ranger before I bought it, and was pleased to see it had 4.10s. My Bronco currently has 3.55s (as almost all Broncos had 3.55s) and they are terrible. I don't know what Ford was thinking when they decided on this ratio. Bad for around town acceleration AND bad on the highway. Overdrive is almost useless except on the flattest highway. Go up the slightest incline and it downshifts to 3rd. I'm regearing it to 4.10s as soon as I get the time and money.
 
Originally Posted By: exranger06
I love low gears. I checked the gear ratio on my Ranger before I bought it, and was pleased to see it had 4.10s. My Bronco currently has 3.55s (as almost all Broncos had 3.55s) and they are terrible. I don't know what Ford was thinking when they decided on this ratio. Bad for around town acceleration AND bad on the highway. Overdrive is almost useless except on the flattest highway. Go up the slightest incline and it downshifts to 3rd. I'm regearing it to 4.10s as soon as I get the time and money.


A lot of vehicles are geared much taller than necessary ONLY for the EPA test cycle.

It's an argument that always comes up on facebook groups for Jeeps, for one. The 4.0L high output engine makes it's peak torque, and hits its volemetric efficiency > 2000 RPM. Gear it on the highway so it's running at 2300 RPM and it's going to get better fuel economy than running along at 1000 RPM with factory 3.07 gears. The 4.0L that could pull those gears and still get good fuel economy was the Renix - "non high output" 4.0L. They also got better mileage in stock form.

A lot of people seem to think it's linear with fuel economy and that, in all situations, higher RPMs are bad. Ideally, with my current 32'' tires, I'd gear my Jeep at 4.56 gears and cruise at 65 at ~2700 RPM. It would have no problem doing that all day, every day and very likely get better fuel economy than stock.

My parents had 3 TJ Wranglers with the 4.0L engine and 5 speed manual. One with 3.07 gears , one with 3.73 gears and one with 4.10 gears. The one with 4.10 gears always had the best mileage. Except on the EPA test cycle.

A modern gas engine - and that includes ol' bubba's swapped in carbureted 350 (because he can't figure out that got-dang high technology fuel injection) , a ford 300I6 ... would have no problem running 2500, 3000 all day long on the highway.
 
Originally Posted By: Ramblejam
Originally Posted By: spasm3
I hate to spend what it costs to only go from 3.73 to 4.10. Would 4.56 be a bad choice? Would it be easier on the transmission?


What are your goals?
What are you trying to accomplish?



The truck is heavy at 5850. My travel trailer is around 44-4600lbs. It works to climb hills.
My current 3.73 runs iirc 2750rpm at 65mpg in third ( I don't tow in od). 1950rpm in od
 
Originally Posted By: Ramblejam
So, you want to tow in OD?


Not with this transmission. From what i've heard , towing in od in my model is bad for the trans .
 
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Originally Posted By: spasm3
Originally Posted By: Ramblejam
Originally Posted By: spasm3
I hate to spend what it costs to only go from 3.73 to 4.10. Would 4.56 be a bad choice? Would it be easier on the transmission?


What are your goals?
What are you trying to accomplish?



The truck is heavy at 5850. My travel trailer is around 44-4600lbs. It works to climb hills.
My current 3.73 runs iirc 2750rpm at 65mpg in third ( I don't tow in od). 1950rpm in od


If your 3rd gear is 1:1, which I believe it is, you will turn 830 more rpm with 4.56 rear gears.
4.10 would be 370 more rpm in 3rd gear.

OD rpm depends on what your OD ratio is.
If OD is .7 then 3.73 to 4.56 would be about 580 more RPM.
 
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