My cars are just about due for an oil change. I found the gold GC but no luck with the green. I know people are a still a bit skeptical about the gold stuff but are there any UOAs showing better results than mobil 1? I have been using mobil 1 on my cars since I got them and I heard so many great things about the green GC but not much about the gold GC. So should I stick with the mobil 1 or should I go for the gold GC?
GC Gold or Mobil 1
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Patman
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Go for the gold!
If you asked this on a Mobil 1 thread, what do you think the answer would be? Gold is fine, according to UOA's. Mobil 1 is fine, according to UOA's. Personally, I'd go with the one I could get for less money!
Agrees with Patman.
From my reading within these walls, I seem to understand that new *G/GC}and the old GC uses about the same Base Stock , and just the additive package is different. Which has already showed very low wear numbers.
I won't say that *G/GC} will give U better protection then M1. *That can open up to many Worm Holes}.
But U can sleep easy at night knowing the Gold is in your investments.
I wonder if the Gold is made by the same Elves that made the Mighty Green Elixer? Hmmm.
Syn goes to Google.
"Both Oils are Very Good! Use the one that is easily available!
[ April 27, 2006, 11:35 AM: Message edited by: -SyN- ]
From my reading within these walls, I seem to understand that new *G/GC}and the old GC uses about the same Base Stock , and just the additive package is different. Which has already showed very low wear numbers.
I won't say that *G/GC} will give U better protection then M1. *That can open up to many Worm Holes}.
But U can sleep easy at night knowing the Gold is in your investments.
I wonder if the Gold is made by the same Elves that made the Mighty Green Elixer? Hmmm.
Syn goes to Google.
"Both Oils are Very Good! Use the one that is easily available!
[ April 27, 2006, 11:35 AM: Message edited by: -SyN- ]
The only M1 that meets similar specs that Gold GC does is M1 0W-40. 30 weight Mobil 1's shouldn't be used in the same discussion as GC. This isn't directed toward the original poster, but what bothers me (though it shouldn't but I can't help it) is people who buy GC just because people told them it's good or because of its UOA results. There's more to the proper oil selection than that. What's the engine, what specs does it call for, does it seem to do better on thicker oils, what are the driving habits, how long will the drains be....are all questions which must be answered.
Jag has a very good points as well.
If both your autos call for any type of 30wt, You should be ok.
LoL--Did ya ever think that just changing your oil--Could make ya think so much it gave ya migraine headache?
If both your autos call for any type of 30wt, You should be ok.
LoL--Did ya ever think that just changing your oil--Could make ya think so much it gave ya migraine headache?
I apologize for posting this thread in this forum. I'm still a newb here and i'm just trying to figure out if this gold stuff is as good as the green since it got so many great reviews and UOA results.
I'm sorry, no apology needed for you posting this thread. If we knew what engine(s) you may put GC in, we could maybe give good answers of whether a switch from M1 is a good idea. As for between Green and Gold, all indications are that you should get whatever is at your Autozone (both are very comparable). Now IF Gold GC didn't meet all those fancy automaker specs that it does (and so does Green GC), I'd say no way is Gold comparable to Green. In other words, the specs on the oil bottles are very telling.
Its up to you man. I say do your own research, although it might cost you some money, and decide what you want. I am doing tat currently.
I had M1 ow-40 in m GTI 1.8 T and switched to GC (gold). I am waiting for the UOA for the GC and will post it here to comapre it to the M1 which I already have a UOA for.
Since the M1 shears down to 30 and the GC goes up to close to 40 I would say they should be ok in my engine, although VW of America calls for 40. In Germany SLX and Longtec, which are both 30 are prefered (this is through discussions with my family in Germany).
I ll post the results as soon as I get them
I had M1 ow-40 in m GTI 1.8 T and switched to GC (gold). I am waiting for the UOA for the GC and will post it here to comapre it to the M1 which I already have a UOA for.
Since the M1 shears down to 30 and the GC goes up to close to 40 I would say they should be ok in my engine, although VW of America calls for 40. In Germany SLX and Longtec, which are both 30 are prefered (this is through discussions with my family in Germany).
I ll post the results as soon as I get them
The 2 cars it would be going in are a 1996 Nissan Maxima with the VQ30DE, and a 1995 Z28 Camaro with the LT1. I have seen UOAs for the Camaro with GC and the results were excellent. The engine showed minimal wear but that was with the green stuff and not the gold. From what i've read, it seems that the additives in the gold are different and I don't know how it would affect these engines compared to the old stuff. I know it's probably great stuff anyway. I'm just trying to figure out if it would work better than the M1 and if I should switch.
What would be more interesting than a few UOA is a list of engines & oil that have over 150,000 miles without oil related problems. That is the final answer because I don't think anyone knows if 10ppm of iron is worse than 25 ppm when it comes to engine longevity. JMO ed
I echo Patman's "go for the Gold." As I told GMorg in another thread, the M1 you might choose to use now could very well be a different formula than the last batch you used (even if it is still SM), but just because no one scrutinizes M1 like they do GC or because the color doesn't change or whatever, no one thinks, "Should I use August's M1 or should I try to find some more of January's?" I think WAY too much attention is being placed on the color change which pointed to a formulation change. Just think, if Castrol had left it Green no one probably would have even thought to do another VOA (the sharp eyed might have caught the change in a UOA). I think our Chevron, Havoline, Pennzoil and M1 users would be surprised at how many "upgrades" there have been to their oil without them ever knowing it because unless there is some major INDICATED change (like M1 to M1R or M1 EP) no one does a VOA (again, granted UOAs can show a difference as well). I really think everyone should just relax and use whatever formulation the Elves brew up for us, be it purple or blue or gold or green, high Mg or low Mg.
[ April 28, 2006, 09:15 PM: Message edited by: pscholte ]
[ April 28, 2006, 09:15 PM: Message edited by: pscholte ]
pscholte,
It doesn't really matter if the oil is made by elves, pixies, or my cousins best friend- they still work for Castrol. Are you confident in all future, data-less GC just because it is made in Germany. What if you find a "made in USA" label on the next batch of Castrol 0W30. Will you still be confident? You know, given our current immigration/border situation, the elves could slip into the US without much attention...
It doesn't really matter if the oil is made by elves, pixies, or my cousins best friend- they still work for Castrol. Are you confident in all future, data-less GC just because it is made in Germany. What if you find a "made in USA" label on the next batch of Castrol 0W30. Will you still be confident? You know, given our current immigration/border situation, the elves could slip into the US without much attention...
GMorg,
In a word, Ja unbedingt...OK, two words
I just asked...they desire to do no slipping...SO, in answer to your question, I would switch to ELF or Motul, or, if I could get my confidence in Shell oils back, Pennzoil Platinum Euro Formula.
Well, I have not seen the ELF or Motul anywhere for sale in Ohio. So, the PP Euro, why are you not satisfied with Shell branded oils? Also, what makes PP Euro on your list, have you seen any UOA's on this oil, specifically the 5w-40? Since supposedly the 5w30 Euro is POA and the 5w-40 is not.
As I looked at the specs on a lot of the Shell Euro oils, I was not overly impressed; there were reports out of our members in Australia of their failure to be impressed with Shell Oils to include the worst-ever Timken test one of them had seen; when I consider it takes a $60 a litre Shell product to protect a Ferrari Enzo but Mobil can protect the Mercedes McLaren SLR with an oil that if it sold in the US would probably be around $6 a quart; and I did see a Shell Helix UOA out of one of our members from Singapore that was decidedly unimpressive. Putting all these together, I concluded I am not excited about Shell lubrication at this time. Now my point is not to argue how valid the Timken test is or to say that any one of these in isolation (e.g. one UOA, the cost comparison) is enough to dismiss Shell oils but to say when I put all these factors together, my confidence is shaken. I am fascinated by the Pz Platinum Euro line because of comments Terry has made that indicate it is "trick," Elf-like even.
I think Castrol is the only oil company that does not have the gas pump stuck up my wallet at the moment. so i say GO FOR THE GOLD MAN !
Redline, Royal Purple, Schaeffers, Neo, maybe even Coastal...There are many oil blenders that don't peddle fuel.
I have GC old gold (pre-euro label) in my vehicle right now and I like it.
I have GC old gold (pre-euro label) in my vehicle right now and I like it.
Castol is "OWNED" by BP who also owns ARCO. Yes they have the gas pump nozzle in YOUR wallet at this moment sucking away just like everybody else!!!!!! M1 all the way
Well, sorry to burst your bubble, but BP, and Castrol are quite the same company. I absolutely hate BP gas, but I like Shell gas, so, this is why I am interested in Pennzoil oils, and am almost hesitant to use BP products. IE....GC. But, I do have about 16 quarts of GC Green in the garage, and Castrol GTX with ARX in the motor. I guess it is just wishful thinking that Shell would make a good oil. I would not run on BP gas, but only Shell. I would like to complete the circle, and use only Shell oils. But, this may never happen.
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