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Doesn't anyone understand that OPEC sets the price and we pay that price no matter what it is.

And the talk about being past "Peak Oil" is nonsense. Just about anywhere in Saudi Arabia, you poke a tube into the ground and oil comes rushing out with incredible force. OPEC gets together all the time and makes agreements on how much they will REDUCE production and drive up the cost.
 
Originally Posted By: j_mac
Doesn't anyone understand that OPEC sets the price and we pay that price no matter what it is.

And the talk about being past "Peak Oil" is nonsense. Just about anywhere in Saudi Arabia, you poke a tube into the ground and oil comes rushing out with incredible force. OPEC gets together all the time and makes agreements on how much they will REDUCE production and drive up the cost.


Nope, nothing to do with OPEC...you'll see.
 
Originally Posted By: GMBoy
Originally Posted By: Pablo
Who ARE these "speculators"?

They wield more power than OPEC?



Old article, but discussed speculators:

http://money.usnews.com/money/blogs/flowchart/2008/6/27/6-myths-about-oil-speculators


And a later article:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/12/08/104979/remember-4-gasoline-oil-speculators.html


The older article is pretty much what I have been saying. Myths.

The Mcclatchy article is screwy and poorly written at best. "Remember $4 gasoline? Oil speculators are back" - nice headline. Then "Because Wall Street speculators are driving up oil and gasoline prices again — just in time to dampen holiday cheer..." But when you actually read the article, it turns out they don't really have any proof.....and sorta undermine their own thoughts. It ends with "They've decided that they want to own crude and other commodities anyway because they just want to own them." Wet noodle reporting!!!
 
Well I don't care what an investor biased article full of probablys, maybys and what should happen says. Demand for oil and gas is pretty darn inelastic. Raising the prices will not lower demand much because consumers cannot lower their demand much or switch to an alternative. That being the case it is in the interest of those in the oil markets to take measures to drive prices up (reducing production, artificially increasing demand through futures, OPEC etc) since that will not lower demand much, and just as importantly to not take measures to lower prices. I believe this is the real reason gas is going over $3/gal and will go higher.
 
Originally Posted By: j_mac
And the talk about being past "Peak Oil" is nonsense. Just about anywhere in Saudi Arabia, you poke a tube into the ground and oil comes rushing out with incredible force. OPEC gets together all the time and makes agreements on how much they will REDUCE production and drive up the cost.


If you think its nonsense you should really read more about it. Its not speculation. Its fact. Saudi Arabia isn't that big and its exploration dates back to the beginning of European involvement in that region of the Middle East. If you could tap oil anywhere there that you poked a stick, then the greed of the fractious and short sighted Saudi government would use it to further enrich their own coffers while increasing their international influence. And they would be doing now while their previous chief competitor, Iraq, is exporting less than the country is able to extract and transport out of the country.

Here in Canada, which is also a net energy exporter, we would not be looking to tap the costly (financially and environmentally) AB tar sands as we have, either, unless supply - relative to demand (current and forecasted) - did not make it suddenly profitable to do so.

There has been much political economy written on the coming energy wars (which may be no more hot than the past cold war) as the world's top energy consumers - present and emerging - compete for external, limited, energy supplies.

Fossil fuels are not like growing corn. You don't just push a stick in any fertile field and wait a season for the crop to be harvested.

We are not running out of oil, as people falsely misinterpret "peak oil" discussions to be about. We are, instead, globally, requiring more fossil fuels to meet demand than can be supplied cheaply. So more marginal sources are being turned to, sources that cost more to explore and locate, and/or more to extract and refine. Result is oil prices, overall, will continue to - overall - trend upward for the foreseeable future.

-Spyder
 
Originally Posted By: lexus114
you guy`s ever watch conspiracy theory?


Exactly....

Most of the ordinary folks don't comprehend that the power elite and the wealthy pull the strings in every aspect of our lives, or they do but are in total denial!

Speculators, insider information = power elite= criminals.
 
Originally Posted By: j_mac
This is a really simple question with a really simple and foolproof answer.

The price we will pay for gas next year will be exactly what OPEC wants it to be.

Meanwhile the worldwide recession that OPEC created will continue and MILLIONS of starving people across the globe will continue to starve to death so the Arabs can build bigger, more ridiculous man made islands and fairy tale hotels and high-rent apartments that will operate at 5-10% occupancy. Maybe another attempt to build an even taller skyscraper than the world's tallest they just built, that noone is using.

Meanwhile people in the Third World suffer immensly due to the twisted economic conditions and Americans like us continue to live less well off than our parents did.

Ironic that WE showed them what was underground in the Middle East and showed and gave them the tools to extract it. They went from living in mud huts and lean-to's and riding camels to the richest people in the world (per capita.) But that wasn't enough. They all want to be millionairs and billionairs TEN times over what they were 10 years ago.


Don't forget about the US oil companies. They're every bit as greedy as the OPEC barons....
 
Originally Posted By: Steve S
Are these gas prices making you miss Saddam Hussiean. He was keeping oil cheap and the Bush oil people and their buddies didn't like it.


That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
 
The problem with our high (and going even higher) energy prices of today began with the oil embargo of 1973. If our governemental leaders would've developed a long term, comprehensive energy plan back then, we would be energy independant by now, and we would have plenty of clean, renewable, and affordable energy. Instead, they, and every governmental leader we've had since then has does absolutely nothing to secure our energy future. Instead of having plenty of nuclear plants throughout the country, instead of homes and businesses being built with solar and wind power, instead of vehicles that get 100 MPG, or being completely powered by something other than fossil fuels, we're stuck using almost entirely the same energy sources and technologies we relied on 40 years ago. Now we're at the mercy of the rest of the world, and we are forced to compete in the world market for everything. Since the USA enjoys the best standard of living than the rest of the world (which is quickly going away), having to rely completely on the world market leaves our standard of living only one way to go...down.

Now, realizing fossil fuels are being depleted by an ever increasing world demand, researchers are trying to develop alternatives. However, they're finding out that this isn't an overnight endevor. Alternatives are expensive, and it's going to take time to develop them to the point they're competitively priced with fossil fuels. Had they started pursuing them aggressively back in '73 we'd have them by now. They didn't, and now the question is; can they be developed before it's too late? This country can't afford $5 gas. You saw what $4 gas did to the economy in '08 (I know it wasn't just gas prices that wrecked the economy, but they certainly were a big contributor). Our economy is barely above the depression level now, what do you think $5 gas is going to do to it? You think the oil companies give a rat's --- what energy prices do to the economy? They couldn't care less. They won't be happy until they squeezed every last penny from every economy on the planet. We as a nation need to produce as much OF OUR OWN energy, from every source, as we possibly can. We need to get away from relying on other countries to provide our energy sources, and we need to be more removed from the world market and be more concrned about taking care of business here at home. If we don't, this will soon be nothing more than a 3rd world country...
 
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Originally Posted By: grampi
The problem with our high (and going even higher) energy prices of today began with the oil embargo of 1973. If our governemental leaders would've developed a long term, comprehensive energy plan back then, we would be energy independant by now, and we would have plenty of clean, renewable, and affordable energy. Instead, they, and every governmental leader we've had since then has does absolutely nothing to secure our energy future. Instead of having plenty of nuclear plants throughout the country, instead of homes and businesses being built with solar and wind power, instead of vehicles that get 100 MPG, or being completely powered by something other than fossil fuels, we're stuck using almost entirely the same energy sources and technologies we relied on 40 years ago. Now we're at the mercy of the rest of the world, and we are forced to compete in the world market for everything. Since the USA enjoys the best standard of living than the rest of the world (which is quickly going away), having to rely completely on the world market leaves our standard of living only one way to go...down.

Now, realizing fossil fuels are being depleted by an ever increasing world demand, researchers are trying to develop alternatives. However, they're finding out that this isn't an overnight endevor. Alternatives are expensive, and it's going to take time to develop them to the point they're competitively priced with fossil fuels. Had they started pursuing them aggressively back in '73 we'd have them by now. They didn't, and now the question is; can they be developed before it's too late? This country can't afford $5 gas. You saw what $4 gas did to the economy in '08 (I know it wasn't just gas prices that wrecked the economy, but they certainly were a big contributor). Our economy is barely above the depression level now, what do you think $5 gas is going to do to it? You think the oil companies give a rat's --- what energy prices do to the economy? They couldn't care less. They won't be happy until they squeezed every last penny from every economy on the planet. We as a nation need to produce as much OF OUR OWN energy, from every source, as we possibly can. We need to get away from relying on other countries to provide our energy sources, and we need to be more removed from the world market and be more concrned about taking care of business here at home. If we don't, this will soon be nothing more than a 3rd world country...




I am sorry, but, gas prices did not ruin the economy. They had nothing to do with the collapse of the economy. The only reason gas prices went down over the last year and a half was because demand for oil was low. Now that demand is picking up again prices are rising. Pretty easy concept if you think about it.
 
Right. It's supply and demand and the price is what it is. Free Market will sort it out.
 
Originally Posted By: Autobahn88
Originally Posted By: grampi
The problem with our high (and going even higher) energy prices of today began with the oil embargo of 1973. If our governemental leaders would've developed a long term, comprehensive energy plan back then, we would be energy independant by now, and we would have plenty of clean, renewable, and affordable energy. Instead, they, and every governmental leader we've had since then has does absolutely nothing to secure our energy future. Instead of having plenty of nuclear plants throughout the country, instead of homes and businesses being built with solar and wind power, instead of vehicles that get 100 MPG, or being completely powered by something other than fossil fuels, we're stuck using almost entirely the same energy sources and technologies we relied on 40 years ago. Now we're at the mercy of the rest of the world, and we are forced to compete in the world market for everything. Since the USA enjoys the best standard of living than the rest of the world (which is quickly going away), having to rely completely on the world market leaves our standard of living only one way to go...down.

Now, realizing fossil fuels are being depleted by an ever increasing world demand, researchers are trying to develop alternatives. However, they're finding out that this isn't an overnight endevor. Alternatives are expensive, and it's going to take time to develop them to the point they're competitively priced with fossil fuels. Had they started pursuing them aggressively back in '73 we'd have them by now. They didn't, and now the question is; can they be developed before it's too late? This country can't afford $5 gas. You saw what $4 gas did to the economy in '08 (I know it wasn't just gas prices that wrecked the economy, but they certainly were a big contributor). Our economy is barely above the depression level now, what do you think $5 gas is going to do to it? You think the oil companies give a rat's --- what energy prices do to the economy? They couldn't care less. They won't be happy until they squeezed every last penny from every economy on the planet. We as a nation need to produce as much OF OUR OWN energy, from every source, as we possibly can. We need to get away from relying on other countries to provide our energy sources, and we need to be more removed from the world market and be more concrned about taking care of business here at home. If we don't, this will soon be nothing more than a 3rd world country...




I am sorry, but, gas prices did not ruin the economy. They had nothing to do with the collapse of the economy. The only reason gas prices went down over the last year and a half was because demand for oil was low. Now that demand is picking up again prices are rising. Pretty easy concept if you think about it.


Wrong. Gas prices may not have been the main reason, but they were most certainly a big contributor. Prices of everything rose sharply during the period of $4 gas. Demand decreased because the prices of literally everything were so high, consumers had to cut back on everything. It won't be any different this time around. If you don't think high energy prices have a huge impact on the economy, watch and see what happens to our economy as prices rise this time around...
 
IIRC the last price hike had little to do with demand. It was speculation (some of the same folks who got govt. bailout money for their poor investments). Similar to the housing bubble, unregulated thieves helped themselves and could care less if the whole country went down in flames (so long as they got theirs).
 
Gasoline, until it reaches something like maybe 7 or 8 bucks, is perfectly price inelastic. Supply and demand are USED as an excuse to raise gas prices IMO (and raise revenue for the power elites in the major wall street banks).

Insiders at Bilderberg 2007 said all the players, to include members of OPEC who were sitting right there at the table, were in on the last big oil bubble and they indicated they used it to help squash the economy and demand for oil to save us from global warming.
 
Originally Posted By: grampi
The problem with our high (and going even higher) energy prices of today began with the oil embargo of 1973. If our governemental leaders would've developed a long term, comprehensive energy plan back then, we would be energy independant by now, and we would have plenty of clean, renewable, and affordable energy.


The Problem, my friend, is that too many people think this is something that government leaders should be heavily involved with. In fact government does far more damage than anyone else, and at a huge price. The Department of Energy costs us many tens of billions every year, for going on 35 years now, employing many highly-paid bureaucrats, and has never produced a single gallon of commercially-affordable fuel.
 
Originally Posted By: FZ1
Right. It's supply and demand and the price is what it is. Free Market will sort it out.
There is no supply problem. It is price fixing.
 
" I am sorry, but, gas prices did not ruin the economy. They had nothing to do with the collapse of the economy. "

" Wrong. Gas prices may not have been the main reason, but they were most certainly a big contributor. "

+2 . People were torching their S.U.V.s and other large vehicles to get out the payment and the fillups at $100 plus dollars a pop . Plus many dealers weren't taking in the large vehicles due to the overflow of them and their plummeting trade in value . A family member maxxed out their credit card(s) with filling up her FORD Explorer ( 14 m.p.g. ) to get to work . When they were used up that person had to borrow money from a relative , which was never paid back . The credit card companies are still after her and her credit is shot to _ _ _ _ . That person still would buy a S.U.V. due to it being safer than a economy car . You'd think people would of learned from the 1st spike . BUT , nooooooooo !
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