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We've had the marina store the Supra for the last two years now, so they take it out of the water, winterize it and then put it back in the lake for the summer and leave it in our boathouse.

I put a new impeller in it the summer before last but haven't had a chance to do any service on it this summer (I wasn't going to do the impeller this year, was going to do it next), which typically involves changing the oil, checking the drive oil, tightening the belts...etc.

So my one sister took the boat for a several hour tour up to and around Lake Rosseau to show her significant other where our family's cottage used to be. Boat behaved fine. About a week later (this past Monday) my other sisters arrived and my dad decides to take their kids tubing. Third outing, something started to smell hot, dad, not being the most mechanically minded person, decided to "drive it home slowly" rather than call for a tow and investigate the source of the smell. That was not a wise decision. He assured me over the phone, relaying this event, that it didn't get above 180 on the gauge.

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I'm two hours away.

My one sister calls me up and sends me the above picture and tells me "I think the hull is cracked". The hull is fibreglass/kevlar/fibreglass, it is not easily cracked. I ask her how she arrived at that conclusion, and it was due to the water entering the bilge from the floor drains. I remark to her that the exhaust goes through those compartments, so any leaks at the exhaust, the tubing for which was visibly melted and is located below the water line, would be likely to allow water into those areas. I asked if it had been run up on any rocks or been in a major collision involving the bottom of the boat that would be necessary for the hull damage she's positing to have occurred. She said no.

She sent me a picture of the temp gauge (gauge doesn't auto park, it stays where it was when the key is set to off) which showed a temp approaching 200F. Not insanely hot. This was promising but told me dad wasn't REALLY watching the gauge.

The rubber section between the (now heavily discoloured from heat) mufflers and the exhaust pipes is melted and visibly leaking onto the stringer on the driver-side. I assumed the same for the passenger (above) but she simply couldn't see it.

Not super keen to come up to a packed cottage to play boat mechanic, I dragged my heels until Sunday, since I had to pickup my daughter, who had gone up to see her cousins. Stopped at the marina, bought the wrong (3") exhaust hose, which I had to return (it's 3.5") and headed over to the island.

I did not take any pictures of the job.

I quickly established the freshwater pump wasn't getting any water, impeller looked, through the exit hole, to be in good shape, but was not moving any water when the engine was fired.

- Removed the feed hose, there was water present.
- Removed the inlet hose from the lake where it passes through the differential cooler, it was packed full of organic material and a chunk of silicone. Looks like I found the problem.
- Picked out what I could with my fingers and then sucked-out the cooler with a shop vac and then back-flushed with a garden hose.
- Pump was still not drawing water, took a look in it while rotating it and realized the impeller, while appearing to be in good condition, wasn't moving.
- Removed the pump, impeller where it rides on the hub had spun on the spline due to being run dry. Blades were all still intact, flexible and in excellent condition.
- Located spare impeller, replaced, refit pump, lots of water now.

With cooling reestablished, it was time to tackle the exhaust.

- Decided to take this opportunity to extend the lower plumbing/coupling upwards, since these stainless mufflers are shorter than the OE fibreglass ones.
- Used some scotchbright to clean the melted rubber off the mufflers
- Put everything back together, water ingress seemed to have slowed, but I was still seeing some water exiting the floor compartment drains.

Had two ideas on this:
1. There was water accumulated in those compartments from it leaking into them for a week.
2. The exhaust had got hot enough at the back of the boat (exhaust exits underwater) that the seals for the flap assemblies that attach to the exhaust pipes were now also leaking.

Took the boat for a drive with the engine cover removed, didn't appear to take on any water while underway. Upon returning to the dock, it didn't seem to be taking on any additional water while stationary, fingers crossed that it was not leaking at the transom.

Left at about 8PM to head home. Told everybody to keep an eye out for water ingress, as if it continued, we would need to assume that the pipes are leaking at the transom and that this would need to be addressed.

Not the best weekend, but it was good to see my siblings, who I haven't seen in about a year.
 
Ugh...

Did you replace all of the wet exhaust hoses? Had a slight overheat on the old inboard and later, the exhaust hose liner delaminated, essentially an arterial dissection.... They looked OK at first but were weakened.

Glad there was no more serious damage. Love that boat.
 
Ugh...

Did you replace all of the wet exhaust hoses? Had a slight overheat on the old inboard and later, the exhaust hose liner delaminated, essentially an arterial dissection.... They looked OK at first but were weakened.

Glad there was no more serious damage. Love that boat.
No, just the exhaust hoses. Thanks for the heads-up, may take a closer look at the hoses that come off the thermostat housing next time I'm up. Hose from the freshwater pump to the engine was in great shape (I had it off and looked over it) which is why I didn't look closer at any of the other hoses.
 
Just curious. Is that an Indmar package? Pretty bulletproof designs. The Supra I see at the lake is usually a blur it’s so fast. Chine walking fast!
 
My boat (2011 VP I/O has a temp sensor on every piece of the exhaust.. I will get an engine alarm. Still would need to get my laptop and Diacom to read the code to determine which part was getting too hot.
This is 1995, it doesn't do that, lol. It has two temp sensors, one for the ECM (it will go into limp mode, alternate firing 4 cylinders if it gets too hot) and one for the gauge.

This event makes me think that might be a valuable addition though, if there's room in the cluster.
 
I would say things got rather HOT from the photo showing the melted spots. Sometimes the boats or vehicles , generators etc hoses can look alright yet they can be melted and or collapsed on the inside. (good that you found and dug out the trash by the impellar) An incident like you guys just had would warrant me checking and looking into all of the hoses. Especially if there is still any (unusual) heat or any water coming still where you dont expect it to be???
KEVLAR: I know one thing about it. I know that it takes quite a bit of an impact to do any kind of damage to kevlar boat hulls. I worked near 30 years in a plant site where we made one of the three ingredients that goes into the creation of kevlar for many different applications. Appears like you guys may have ducked what could have been some expensive repairs since there was no real impact you know of and they were able to get it in to dock without excess / extreme high heat. Good luck. What size motor? IIRC it is a FORD correct?
P.S. There have been some guys doing experimenting with part Kevlar drag racing funny car body panels for safety + less weight a few years back. Pound for pound stronger that steel they say.
 
Over maintaining a boat is underestimated. Especially considering time on the water is so precious.
 
Glad you were able to properly diagnose it and resolve the issues rather quickly and (I hope) cheaply.

I do wonder though, whether a rubber hose should be included in the exhaust route. Wouldn't some type of metal flex pipe be a better solution instead? Forgive me, I'm only slightly familiar with boating having recently acquired a jet boat.
 
Glad you were able to properly diagnose it and resolve the issues rather quickly and (I hope) cheaply.

I do wonder though, whether a rubber hose should be included in the exhaust route. Wouldn't some type of metal flex pipe be a better solution instead? Forgive me, I'm only slightly familiar with boating having recently acquired a jet boat.
Thanks!

The high temp rubber is used because the exhaust is "wet"; there's always (supposed to be) water flowing through it, so it shouldn't get hot enough to matter. Now, as this thread illustrates, once you remove the water component, that's a different discussion, lol.
 
Thanks for the clarification, I was thinking it was just hot exhaust gases through there.

Enjoy the rest of the Summer as often as you can; it'll be gone soon.
 
So, update: Boat is still slowly leaking, so I'm assuming dad buggered up the seals at the transom. That will be an end-of-year project, as the leak isn't bad enough to require the boat to be pulled from the lake to address it.
 
That’s the best move. Get the rest of the season done. As long as it’s moving at 60 mph there’s not much of the boat in the water anyway! I bet that boat is a blast to drive…
 
So, update: Boat is still slowly leaking, so I'm assuming dad buggered up the seals at the transom. That will be an end-of-year project, as the leak isn't bad enough to require the boat to be pulled from the lake to address it.

Isn't that now? get the boat out in late July to start the season, put it away in late August, as winter settles in...










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That’s the best move. Get the rest of the season done. As long as it’s moving at 60 mph there’s not much of the boat in the water anyway! I bet that boat is a blast to drive…
I call it the "scourge of the lake" because those really nice looking stainless mufflers don't seem to do a lot of muffling, and when she's opened up, it's surprisingly loud. Sounds like a 5.0L Mustang though, lol, so I mean, it's not a bad sound by any means, just the volume is somewhat shocking.
 
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