Fram Ultra or Amsoil Ea next oil change.

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A buddy of mine his father is an Amsoil rep. He sold me some Amsoil Signature Series 5W-30 that I am going to use for my next oil change.

He also threw in an Amsoil EA15K50 oil filter. I have a few Fram Ultra XG10060 oil filters so I wonder should I use the Amsoil or the Fram Ultra.

The Amsoil website states that their Ea filters are 98.7% @ 20 microns and will last 15K miles.

Fram Ultra boasts 99+% @20 microns and too is rated for 15K miles.

Both sound like great filters and appear to be almost a wash, pick one and be happy.

Thanks.
 
Originally Posted By: mjoekingz28
Use the Amsoil with the Amsoil.


It may just be "better" since they probably engineered the two to work hand-in-hand!


I hope you're kidding. We are just gullible enough here to believe you.
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I started off with an Amsoil EAO15K50 (AC DELCO PF48 equivalent), then went with a Fram Ultra XG 10575 (bigger filter AC Delco PF63 equivalent) and then I am now running the bigger Amsoil EAO17 oil filter (AC Delco PF63 equivalent.) You can't go wrong with either. I am just using up what I have and then will most likely stick with the Amsoil EAO17 because it's physically bigger than the Fram XG 10575.
 
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They are all good filters and I'm sure it won't matter what order you run them in. Are you going to at least run them to their rated 15k?
 
Originally Posted By: dnewton3
This is the dilemma you have? FU or Amsoil filter?

$20 says it won't matter because you'll O/FCI way too soon anyway.


I was planning on going 10K on the combination. I usually go 6-7K on Mobil 1 and AC Delco filter.
 
Originally Posted By: mjoekingz28
Use the Amsoil with the Amsoil.


Agreed, if you're going to go with Amsoil, might as well do the same on the filter. I'd do an used oil analysis with a TBN to determine how much further you can go than 10k miles. You'll probably find out 15K miles is doable if you don't drive many dirt roads or drive in the desert with a lot of blowing sand. That would be an extra 50% worth of miles, a good justification and use for Amsoil.
 
I used to justify the higher cost of the Amsoil EaO when they were manufactured by Donaldson/WIX and were 98.7% efficient at 15 microns absolute.

When Amsoil switched manufacturer of the EaO to Champion Labs, see LINK , at which time efficiency went to 98.7% at 20 microns absolute, I could no longer justify the higher cost considering both filters come from the Fram group and now have essentially the same efficiency ratings.

By contrast, I just bought two Fram Ultra XG8A oil filters from Amazon for $7.56ea, shipped, then got the $2 back on each filter after mail-in-rebate. The equivalent Amsoil EaO15 retails for $19.20 plus shipping.

Both great filters, one overpriced.
 
Both Fram and Champ Labs (who make Amsoil filters) are owned by the same parent company and offer very similar performance. Since you got the Amsoil filter free you might as well use it. But they aren't worth the price if you're buying them.
 
Originally Posted By: stchman
Originally Posted By: dnewton3
This is the dilemma you have? FU or Amsoil filter?

$20 says it won't matter because you'll O/FCI way too soon anyway.


I was planning on going 10K on the combination. I usually go 6-7K on Mobil 1 and AC Delco filter.



Then you have proved my point ...
These are both rated way past your intended OCI.

And the reality is that (used on a healthy piece of equipment) even normal filters can go WAY past the stated O/FCI. And using premuium filters and oils can FAR, FAR exceed anything you're going to do with them.


It's moot; do what makes you happy because there will be absolutely no performance difference in your application. It's emotional and not logic here.


Want to know which one to use?
Let your dog pick; see which one he sniff's first.
Let your neighbor's kid pick; see which one he knocks over first.
Let your wife/significant other pick; see which color they like best.

It won't matter because you're grossly under-utilizing the product anyway. There is no rational discussion to have because the topics that matter (efficiency, holding capacity, etc) will never come even close to any limit. In your stated application, there won't be any shift in wear data that would be outside any "normal" expectation. Not with the filter choices, or the oil you intend to use.


There is absolutely nothing wrong with letting emotion guide you here. Just man-up and acknowledge it for what it is. There is no parameter you're using to judge real performance; it's all imagined.

Just pick one and move on with your life.
 
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Originally Posted By: dnewton3
Originally Posted By: stchman
Originally Posted By: dnewton3
This is the dilemma you have? FU or Amsoil filter?

$20 says it won't matter because you'll O/FCI way too soon anyway.


I was planning on going 10K on the combination. I usually go 6-7K on Mobil 1 and AC Delco filter.



Then you have proved my point ...
These are both rated way past your intended OCI.

And the reality is that (used on a healthy piece of equipment) even normal filters can go WAY past the stated O/FCI. And using premuium filters and oils can FAR, FAR exceed anything you're going to do with them.


It's moot; do what makes you happy because there will be absolutely no performance difference in your application. It's emotional and not logic here.


Want to know which one to use?
Let your dog pick; see which one he sniff's first.
Let your neighbor's kid pick; see which one he knocks over first.
Let your wife/significant other pick; see which color they like best.

It won't matter because you're grossly under-utilizing the product anyway. There is no rational discussion to have because the topics that matter (efficiency, holding capacity, etc) will never come even close to any limit. In your stated application, there won't be any shift in wear data that would be outside any "normal" expectation. Not with the filter choices, or the oil you intend to use.


There is absolutely nothing wrong with letting emotion guide you here. Just man-up and acknowledge it for what it is. There is no parameter you're using to judge real performance; it's all imagined.

Just pick one and move on with your life.


I say the same thing when people on here insist on using a filter that is 1" longer because of the "added oil capacity and additional filtering media" when in actuality the difference to the engine is negligible.
 
Originally Posted By: stchman
I say the same thing when people on here insist on using a filter that is 1" longer because of the "added oil capacity and additional filtering media" when in actuality the difference to the engine is negligible.

In some cases the extra inch would make install/remove filter easier. For the same cost and without proven negative with longer filter, why not use it ?
 
Because the factory doesnt spec it. Good enough. Why not run a filter an inch shorter? Maybe it has higher burst strength or some other positive we cant think of.


Sorry, OP, there are some here who want to shoot you down...maybe they had a bad day, or, whatever. Ive asked plenty of whole hearted questions and the bench racing nazis shoot me down. It is like they havent read the fourth book! I used to be like that in high school. Ya know, look at a magazine and think my car was better because it put down a higher torque number or a lower ET. Hope I dont revert back to that.


I think they care more about the paper the guarantee is written on than the actual product!
 
There is no rule that says you have to change you filter with your oil. I change mine separate often. The little oil left in the filter wont make any discernable difference. You can get the whole 15k outa your filters even if you don't go 15k on the oil.

Amsoil is capable of 15k and well beyond in some applications but I would run a uoa at 10k or sooner and leave the oil in till you get the results and then decide what to da from there.
 
Originally Posted By: Dallas69
No oil filter is engineered to run with a certain oil brand.


True.

But they are MARKETED as such. 'Cause sales volume matters.
 
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