FRAM TG3614 Cut Open

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Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Still no metal end caps.

+1


Have to admit though ... those non-metal end caps look like they are working just fine. I bet the OP couldn't tear those end caps off without destroying the filter.


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Again inconsistency with this style filter. Earlier in the week this one was posted, I don't like the gap, there are better choices out there.

 
^^^ Yeah, maybe ... but how much sealing overhang distance is around the circumference of that hole? That's what counts. Too much oil on that end cap to see where the sealing area really was.

That looks like the ADBV end since I can see the bypass valve down inside the center tube. And you can see the ADBV in the background that has a pretty large step area that seals on the end cap.
 
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
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Jump on BOF ... room for you too. LoL
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
^^^ Yeah, maybe ... but how much sealing overhang distance is around the circumference of that hole? That's what counts. Too much oil on that end cap to see where the sealing area really was.

That looks like the ADBV end since I can see the bypass valve down inside the center tube. And you can see the ADBV in the background that has a pretty large step area that seals on the end cap.


Plus that isn't a Tough Guard...nitrile ADBV is a dead giveaway. But I was thinking the same thing with it being on the ADBV end.
 
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Still no metal end caps.

+1


+2. That cardboard looks like it is about to disintegrate...good thing you stopped at 5k miles!

Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: Merkava_4
Still no metal end caps.

+1


Have to admit though ... those non-metal end caps look like they are working just fine. I bet the OP couldn't tear those end caps off without destroying the filter.


Having cardboard end caps made that filter a failure from production. Come on, you know this. Remember what kind of endcaps your precious FU has right?!?!
 
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
LoL ... someone needs a materials class.
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Sure lets do a quick class:

Which is stronger, cardboard or metal?

Which material retains its shape and strength better when wet?

Which will continually perform better when it spends its life submerged in oil?

Class dismissed, the answers are clear! Your welcome zee, free education for you.
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Tin foil reflects cosmic rays better than cardboard.
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Plenty of oil filters use non-metal end caps and they work fine if done right ... that's the point. If end caps work as intended, then they work just as well and sometimes even better than metal (ie, better bond strength between pleats and end caps).
 
Who else besides Fram and its subsidiaries uses cardboard endcaps?

Very, Very few.

How many companies utilize metal endcaps?

EVERYONE else (Even the Fram Ultra so it must be better right)

I wonder why that is? It isn't to cut cost. It doesn't reduce labor, it's just because it works. End of story. Checkmate. King me. If a filter is designed with endcaps, the entire world (minus Fram) has unanimously agreed that they should be metal.
 
The fiber end caps are the way to go to conserve steel, and they work just as well as steel for the purpose. From the popped off metal end caps on some certain brands, it would seem fiber is better. I don't like the fiber end cap has "nubs" to center the element though. I'm sure it works fine, but I just want more solid positioning of the ADBV when it is so close to the inlet holes. On some Fram versions like the 3614 the inlet holes are right next to the ADBV sealing surface, so positioning is more important. I would spend the $2 more and get the Ultra. Or a Denso 150-1003 the blue can one is under $5.
I have the 3.8 in a Chrysler van, 213k, and no oil at all is added. I didn't know they had that reputation. I really like that engine actually, 25 mpg is not unusual on a highway trip.
Good pictures, the filter looks like new basically.
 
Originally Posted By: jk_636
Who else besides Fram and its subsidiaries uses cardboard endcaps?

Very, Very few.

How many companies utilize metal endcaps?

EVERYONE else (Even the Fram Ultra so it must be better right)

I wonder why that is? It isn't to cut cost. It doesn't reduce labor, it's just because it works. End of story. Checkmate. King me. If a filter is designed with endcaps, the entire world (minus Fram) has unanimously agreed that they should be metal.


How about all the filters that have no endcaps at all? There is no engineering reason for metal endocaps.

"Checkmate...king me...end of story..." You are like a little kid. How old are you again?
 
Originally Posted By: jk_636
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
LoL ... someone needs a materials class.
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Sure lets do a quick class:

Which is stronger, cardboard or metal?

Which material retains its shape and strength better when wet?

Which will continually perform better when it spends its life submerged in oil?

Class dismissed, the answers are clear! Your welcome zee, free education for you.
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What material do you reckon a paper cellulose filter is made of?
 
Originally Posted By: HX520W
Originally Posted By: SilverC6
Are you running 5w30 PP?

No, I was running 5W-20 PP but now I'm running 5W-20 red bottle maxlife.


Bumping up to 5w30 and a somewhat shorter OCI might help with consumption.

It doesn't sound like that engine works well with thin, fuel-saving oil.
 
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: jk_636
Who else besides Fram and its subsidiaries uses cardboard endcaps?

Very, Very few.

How many companies utilize metal endcaps?

EVERYONE else (Even the Fram Ultra so it must be better right)

I wonder why that is? It isn't to cut cost. It doesn't reduce labor, it's just because it works. End of story. Checkmate. King me. If a filter is designed with endcaps, the entire world (minus Fram) has unanimously agreed that they should be metal.


How about all the filters that have no endcaps at all? There is no engineering reason for metal endocaps.

"Checkmate...king me...end of story..." You are like a little kid. How old are you again?


You should re-read what I wrote more carefully. Filters with no endcaps are obviously a different design that do not rely on them as a vital component to the filter as a whole.

Originally Posted By: dlundblad
Originally Posted By: jk_636
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
LoL ... someone needs a materials class.
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Sure lets do a quick class:

Which is stronger, cardboard or metal?

Which material retains its shape and strength better when wet?

Which will continually perform better when it spends its life submerged in oil?

Class dismissed, the answers are clear! Your welcome zee, free education for you.
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What material do you reckon a paper cellulose filter is made of?


No one has ever said it wasn't a good medium for filtration. It just sucks as end cap material. Feel free to google Fram failure and look at all the deformed and darn near disintegrated OCODs out there.
 
Originally Posted By: jk_636
No one has ever said it wasn't a good medium for filtration. It just sucks as end cap material. Feel free to google Fram failure and look at all the deformed and darn near disintegrated OCODs out there.



You recommend I use the largest search engine known to man, but still refer to Fram's fiber end caps as if they are made out of cereal box cardboard?

Interesting.
 
Originally Posted By: dlundblad
You recommend I use the largest search engine known to man, but still refer to Fram's fiber end caps as if they are made out of cereal box cardboard?

Interesting.


Because saying anything else doesn't fit his narrative. You don't want to be factual do you? Just sensational.
 
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