Fram Synthetic Oil Filter

[BlazerLT]

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Originally posted by sxg6:
whenever i see xg i think extra/xtra guard.

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Hehe, all is well, never will I insatll a orange can of doom in my vehicles.

 

[Propflux01]

Again, the X-filter is what FRAM SHOULD be making with the lower priced ones. It may well turn out to be the

, but due to previous experiences with the regular ones, and that website garbage I posted earlier, I will gladly let someone else be the guinea pig before I install one. But I still will defend my opinion on price vs funcionality.

[ October 17, 2004, 08:48 PM: Message edited by: joee12 ]

 

[poutine]

Well I am due for an oil change anyways and had planned going from dino juice to Mobil 1 on my vehicle anyhow, so tomorrow I will get a new XG installed and 5 liters of Mobil 1 5w30 put in.

As the filter is suppose to work for 7500 miles I will change it approx. 1/2 way and gladly ship it off at my expense to any unbiased third party who wants to open it up and analyze the contents.

Somehow my close to 40 years in engineering tells me this is not a bad filter at all.

Any unbiased takers ?

 

[T-Keith]

If you want to ship it to me, you can. Or cut it apart yourself. Unfortunately it would be hard to tell by cutting the filter apart after the fact if the ADBV did bypass because it is silicone and won't harden into position like the normal Fram.

Also try running it to 7500 miles since that's what they advertise.

-T

 

[BlazerLT]

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Originally posted by T-Keith:
It's not a baseless opinion. I have dissected the Fram and the Wix and have detailed the reasons why they are good and bad on this site. Do a search.

Like I said before, it sounds like your trying to justify a certain filter because your too can't find another filter(which isn't true you admit to being able to get a wix.) Why come here and ask an opinion and then complain when you get one?

-T

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Where did you disect an XG on these forums, please post the link where I can see the photos.

 

[T-Keith]

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Originally posted by BlazerLT:

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Originally posted by T-Keith:
It's not a baseless opinion. I have dissected the Fram and the Wix and have detailed the reasons why they are good and bad on this site. Do a search.

Like I said before, it sounds like your trying to justify a certain filter because your too can't find another filter(which isn't true you admit to being able to get a wix.) Why come here and ask an opinion and then complain when you get one?

-T

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Where did you disect an XG on these forums, please post the link where I can see the photos.

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Here is my post, it's available by doing a search.

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Originally posted by T-Keith:

It's a used filter, so it's a little messy, but it still gives you a good idea. I'll have it up on my site soon.

It indeed does have metal end caps,

but there is a bit of cardboard around where the spring seals.

The center tube is held in place and the filter media is reinforced.

The ADBV is still very cheap and thin.

Interestingly, no screen on the bypass on this filter?

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What I'm trying to show with the picture above is the ADBV is pushed in, allowing flow to bypass the fitler entirely. This is because of the ADBV design shared by ALL Fram filters including the X2, even though the filter shown is an Extra Guard. Thickness may not be as important when the flow is to your advantage.(where the valve seals against the base plate) But it is important where the flow is working against it.(where the valve seals against the filter end cap) This is where the thin Fram ADBV is a problem, as evidence in the picture.

If Fram makes a design that is as good as their competetors for the same price, I'll recomend it. Until then I'll call them as I see 'em.


-T

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[poutine]

Just out of curiosity any idea of the following:

- Do you have any idea what vehicle this came off of ?

- What mileage was on this vehicle at the time?

- How long was this filter on the vehicle ?

- What brand of oil and grade what the filter used with ?

 

[T-Keith]

The failed ADBV? I don't know for sure, I got it from an oil change shop. I believe it was a regular customer, probably not much more then 3000 miles, but I have no way of telling for sure. The design is the problem, the fact that it hardened only provided a way for it to be found. I don't see what would keep it from doing this on a regular basis, especially with cold oil.

-T

 

[BlazerLT]

Funny that the ADBV is orange on the Fram XG but you supply a black failed one in one of the pictures.

I have seen that failed ADBV on another website and I will now try to find it for you to show that it did not come from a Fram XG.

Here is a some pics of the ADBV on a XG:

http://elabfcsvrt.fdu.edu/bartsch/Prelude/HondaPreludeOilFilters/FramXG3593A.JPG

http://elabfcsvrt.fdu.edu/bartsch/Prelude/HondaPreludeOilFilters/FramXG3593Ah.JPG

Please post where the last picture is from because it sure as dirt is not from the XG and I know it was not taken by the same camera at the same time as the other photos.

[ October 18, 2004, 02:28 PM: Message edited by: BlazerLT ]

 

[T-Keith]

Read my post. I never claimed it was an X2, I was simply showing an example of a failed Fram ADBV. You will never find a X2 valve like this because it is silicone and won't harden into shape, it will probably just spring back after the oil pressure it releaved.


However they are the same design, shape, ect, so there is no reason the X2 valve won't do the same thing.

-T

 

[BlazerLT]

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Originally posted by T-Keith:
Read my post. I never claimed it was an X2, I was simply showing an example of a failed Fram ADBV. You will never find a X2 valve like this because it is silicone and won't harden into shape, it will probably just spring back after the oil pressure it releaved.


However they are the same design, shape, ect, so there is no reason the X2 valve won't do the same thing.

-T

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I asked you to show where a XG construction and you post a bunch of legit pictures of it and them throw in a failed Fram ExtraGuard failed ADBV for what reason? It is not the same ADBV, not the same filter or model, only thing it shares is the Fram name.

All filters are the same size, you waht is your point.

Second, the Fram Extraguard and the Extended Guard are two different filters and you know it.

You are just posting complete manipulations of the facts to confuse people.

If you are not posting about the Fram Extended Guard Oil Filter with metal end caps, synthetic filtering media and a silicone ADBV, they shutup and stop posting junk about the standard Fram filters because that is not what I created this thread about.

Let me say it again, if you are not talking about the Fram Extended guard and its properties, then don't post.

[ October 18, 2004, 03:36 PM: Message edited by: sbc350gearhead ]

 

[T-Keith]

Read my post. I clearly stated it was an Extra guard ADBV and even explained why I posted it.

I don't have to defend my posts it's all right there for anyone to read. If you like the X2 so much then buy it, don't take honest opinions as personal attacks.

I will not keep rehashing it. For those who want to know, the facts are there.

-T

 

[BlazerLT]

No you have been purposefully posting mixed facts with all Frams instead of the XG which is what this thread is about.

I am not defending the XG, I am defending this thread from you wading in here with complete crap information and yet, you still have not proved why it is an inferior filter with poor construction as you have stated many times.

Ifyou are not going to back yourself up with information about this and only the Fram Synthetic oil Extended Guard filter than don't post in the first place.