Fram PH3600 C&P. Pending tear?

[ZeeOSix]

Of course any wire or nylon mesh backed media isn't going to tear. Non-back media shouldn't tear nigher if the pleat spacing is done correctly. Wide pleat spacing is always seen on filters that have torn non-backed media.

 

[kschachn]

everything you listed is what a premium guard is doing at the minute. i still use Fram Endurances weekly as i do premium guards.

this tier of filter is competing with jobber filters. the PH lineis built as cheaply as possible minus having a silicone ADBV. cheap filters are built to a lower standard than higher tier filters. look at purolator and fram. their lower tier filters are tearing. i am including the previous M1 filter and Ultra here. compare these to an endurance or a BOSS with reinforced dual ply media, they don’t tear. circling back to kschachn’s point, both of these filters are indeed flawed. Endurance currently doesn’t have a smooth leaf spring. this spans all of the Fram/champ filter lineup at the moment. The boss is built like an absolute tank yet has poor efficiency. this is why we are all hyper focused on Premium guard XL filters at the moment.

regardless, i will bow out now. thanks for the points and criticism.

And none of which actually relates to the use of eithe no end caps or fiber ones.

I will agree though that it is becoming a problem to find something that is both reliable and consequently efficient.

 

[53' Stude]

And none of which actually relates to the use of eithe no end caps or fiber ones.

I will agree though that it is becoming a problem to find something that is both reliable and consequently efficient.

How about Donaldson white cans?

 

[EvoMan]

I don’t know about you but I have lots of options in my area. AAP has Car Quest Premium, O’Reilly has Micro Guard Select, Auto Zone has STP Extended Life (in my area) and NAPA has NAPA Gold. They are all pretty much Premium Guard clones. I have about 8 of those stores within 10 miles of my house.

I can also order PG filters on-line from both Amazon and Walmart. Amazon also carries Pentius XL filters than you can get at a good price and if you use Subscribe and Save you can save even more money.

 

[Hohn]

Of course any wire or nylon mesh backed media isn't going to tear. Non-back media shouldn't tear nigher if the pleat spacing is done correctly. Wide pleat spacing is always seen on filters that have torn non-backed media.

When I saw the C&P of the Pentius, I almost wept a tear of joy. Now THAT is pleat spacing.

 

[scoot]

As Nancy used to say...
Just say no.....

You just aged yourself with that quote

 

[4WD]

^^^ Yeah, it was the wide pleat spacing causing the problem. Wide pleat spacing can cause media tears regardless of what the end caps are made out of.

Should be more pleats sharing the “work” inside the TG - will be a handy comparison when it comes out …

 

[Chris142]

this is why i refuse to run a paper end cap filter

The Purolators with metal ends tear too.

 

[4WD]

so you’re going to tell me that a PH and TG are in the same quality level of a premium guard or endurance?

It’s just a cheap/weak media - bonding to fiber end caps is strong like the way the PF63e was previously made - but yeah, I feel like Fram is doing more monkey business inside the can style - whilst the cartridge filters look better made …

 

[4WD]

These were better fiber end cap filters - but I think they wanted to standardize with metal end caps now …

 

[Lubener]

this is why i refuse to run a paper end cap filter

Has nothing to do with it. Tears happen with media bonded to metal end caps too.

 

[Sayjac]

"If" it isn't a "tear", one is imminent. And on this one the endcap deflection in that area not enough to save it as it does with some. As usual with tears seen, poor/wide pleat spacing in seam pleat area responsible.

Thanks for c&p.