Originally Posted By: addyguy
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: addyguy
You really have a thing against Frams, don't you?
I do- its called "repeated observation of substandard products over a 30-year period of time."
I know you weren't addressing me, but I'll join any chorus shouting the shortcomings of Fram oil filters from the highest rooftops. For the record- I've had at least one bad filter from almost every manufacturer- usually just a leaky ADB valve. But Fram is the only brand I've ever had collapse internally and drop my engine's oil pressure to ~10 PSI at highway speed. Its the only brand I've ever seen cut open to reveal media with tears, holes, or incomplete glue joints on multiple occasions.
Yes, I've gotten Frams that seem to work. But its just not worth the risk, IMO. And the fact that Fram haven't cleaned up their act in THIRTY years and under several different corporate ownership changes is just amazing.
Alright, since you addressed me.....
Could you please explain how MILLIONS of cars over the years have run fram filters, and our roads are not littered with dead cars b/c the Fram filter failed?
IF Frams were as bad as you say, and cause oil pressure reasdings to go to zero, probability would say that evey few minutes, a car should seize up on the highway from a failed filter...I drive a lot, and I don't see that happen. And there are more Frams used up here than down there - most filters availiable are OC's.
Seriously, are you telling me that all those people are experiencing 'dumb luck'?
I'd really like to hear this.
I agree with your post. How many people take their cars to Jiffy Lube or Wal Mart TLE, they all use Fram filter. I can also add the Honda, Nissan, Suburu dealers that are using filters made by Fram. I would see more and more cars on the side of the road, if Fram was such a big problem. I would use a Fram if it was given to me free, I used them all the time before finding this site. I will not use them now because i can get other filters for cheaper. I keep seeing this "Fram O death" on these forums but haven't see pictures of engine destroyed because of a Fram filter. If i were to say a Wix destroyed my engine no one would believe me. If a Fram filter were to destroy my engine like some people claim, i would have all kinds of pictures and proof that it was the filter that cause it so i can use it to go after the company.
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Originally Posted By: addyguy
You really have a thing against Frams, don't you?
I do- its called "repeated observation of substandard products over a 30-year period of time."
I know you weren't addressing me, but I'll join any chorus shouting the shortcomings of Fram oil filters from the highest rooftops. For the record- I've had at least one bad filter from almost every manufacturer- usually just a leaky ADB valve. But Fram is the only brand I've ever had collapse internally and drop my engine's oil pressure to ~10 PSI at highway speed. Its the only brand I've ever seen cut open to reveal media with tears, holes, or incomplete glue joints on multiple occasions.
Yes, I've gotten Frams that seem to work. But its just not worth the risk, IMO. And the fact that Fram haven't cleaned up their act in THIRTY years and under several different corporate ownership changes is just amazing.
Alright, since you addressed me.....
Could you please explain how MILLIONS of cars over the years have run fram filters, and our roads are not littered with dead cars b/c the Fram filter failed?
IF Frams were as bad as you say, and cause oil pressure reasdings to go to zero, probability would say that evey few minutes, a car should seize up on the highway from a failed filter...I drive a lot, and I don't see that happen. And there are more Frams used up here than down there - most filters availiable are OC's.
Seriously, are you telling me that all those people are experiencing 'dumb luck'?
I'd really like to hear this.
I agree with your post. How many people take their cars to Jiffy Lube or Wal Mart TLE, they all use Fram filter. I can also add the Honda, Nissan, Suburu dealers that are using filters made by Fram. I would see more and more cars on the side of the road, if Fram was such a big problem. I would use a Fram if it was given to me free, I used them all the time before finding this site. I will not use them now because i can get other filters for cheaper. I keep seeing this "Fram O death" on these forums but haven't see pictures of engine destroyed because of a Fram filter. If i were to say a Wix destroyed my engine no one would believe me. If a Fram filter were to destroy my engine like some people claim, i would have all kinds of pictures and proof that it was the filter that cause it so i can use it to go after the company.
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