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fram extended gaurd any good?
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the fram orange can of death is good for about 3500 miles.
the mobil 1 uses a synthetic type media vs. paper and has a very strong construction vs. the fram.
the fram construction is adequate by minimum standards.
you can put a dent in a fram can, but it'll take more effort to attempt to put one in a mobil 1 can.
the mobil 1 uses a synthetic type media vs. paper and has a very strong construction vs. the fram.
the fram construction is adequate by minimum standards.
you can put a dent in a fram can, but it'll take more effort to attempt to put one in a mobil 1 can.
i'd say its not as good as a royal purple, but better then a mobil and bosch
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Originally Posted By: EricF
the fram orange can of death is good for about 3500 miles.
the mobil 1 uses a synthetic type media vs. paper and has a very strong construction vs. the fram.
the fram construction is adequate by minimum standards.
you can put a dent in a fram can, but it'll take more effort to attempt to put one in a mobil 1 can.
It (the M1 EP) will also filter smaller particles, and trap particles of any size faster. Designed to be used for up to 15k. These are expensive, but as one who buys and uses them, I think they are worth the cost, especially when you average it out over the expected life of the filter (and throw in the peace of mind factor that you don't get with an OCOD).
Some will say they are over-priced and suggest some good alternatives. I don't necessarily disagree (they aren't to me, but this site would be pretty boring if we all had the same point of view).
-Spyder
the fram orange can of death is good for about 3500 miles.
the mobil 1 uses a synthetic type media vs. paper and has a very strong construction vs. the fram.
the fram construction is adequate by minimum standards.
you can put a dent in a fram can, but it'll take more effort to attempt to put one in a mobil 1 can.
It (the M1 EP) will also filter smaller particles, and trap particles of any size faster. Designed to be used for up to 15k. These are expensive, but as one who buys and uses them, I think they are worth the cost, especially when you average it out over the expected life of the filter (and throw in the peace of mind factor that you don't get with an OCOD).
Some will say they are over-priced and suggest some good alternatives. I don't necessarily disagree (they aren't to me, but this site would be pretty boring if we all had the same point of view).
-Spyder
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Originally Posted By: Jakegday
i'd say its not as good as a royal purple, but better then a mobil and bosch
I'd love to know what you base this on. Please provide a link to any source that's done a filter comparison and arrived at this conclusion.
-Spyder
i'd say its not as good as a royal purple, but better then a mobil and bosch
I'd love to know what you base this on. Please provide a link to any source that's done a filter comparison and arrived at this conclusion.
-Spyder
Originally Posted By: Spyder7
Originally Posted By: Jakegday
i'd say its not as good as a royal purple, but better then a mobil and bosch
I'd love to know what you base this on. Please provide a link to any source that's done a filter comparison and arrived at this conclusion.
-Spyder
If you read the OP the question is about the Fram extended guard which has been shown to be one of the top three contenders for best off the shelf filters. These filters will go out to the 15k mileage that the scorned over filters such as M1 etc... I have used the Fram EG for 15k with zero problems.
Most of the time a question about fram is ask it goes into auto OCOD mode which is somewhat understandable.. but Fram can, and does make outstanding products.. and by the way the OCOD will go much further than 3k, I ran them regular at 7500 miles before I found this site, and the better value filters out there with zero problems.
Originally Posted By: Jakegday
i'd say its not as good as a royal purple, but better then a mobil and bosch
I'd love to know what you base this on. Please provide a link to any source that's done a filter comparison and arrived at this conclusion.
-Spyder
If you read the OP the question is about the Fram extended guard which has been shown to be one of the top three contenders for best off the shelf filters. These filters will go out to the 15k mileage that the scorned over filters such as M1 etc... I have used the Fram EG for 15k with zero problems.
Most of the time a question about fram is ask it goes into auto OCOD mode which is somewhat understandable.. but Fram can, and does make outstanding products.. and by the way the OCOD will go much further than 3k, I ran them regular at 7500 miles before I found this site, and the better value filters out there with zero problems.
I think you can do better w/ your $$.
Originally Posted By: EricF
the fram orange can of death is good for about 3500 miles.
the mobil 1 uses a synthetic type media vs. paper and has a very strong construction vs. the fram.
the fram construction is adequate by minimum standards.
you can put a dent in a fram can, but it'll take more effort to attempt to put one in a mobil 1 can.
he is talking about the extended guard not the extra guard, i will be posting pics of an unused cut open one shortly, they supposedly last 10,000 miles with synthetic. also the mobile one doesnt use synthetic media it is paper vs the extended guard with does use synthetic media. the extended guard is one of the most well made filters i have seen
the fram orange can of death is good for about 3500 miles.
the mobil 1 uses a synthetic type media vs. paper and has a very strong construction vs. the fram.
the fram construction is adequate by minimum standards.
you can put a dent in a fram can, but it'll take more effort to attempt to put one in a mobil 1 can.
he is talking about the extended guard not the extra guard, i will be posting pics of an unused cut open one shortly, they supposedly last 10,000 miles with synthetic. also the mobile one doesnt use synthetic media it is paper vs the extended guard with does use synthetic media. the extended guard is one of the most well made filters i have seen
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Originally Posted By: Spyder7
Originally Posted By: Jakegday
i'd say its not as good as a royal purple, but better then a mobil and bosch
I'd love to know what you base this on. Please provide a link to any source that's done a filter comparison and arrived at this conclusion.
-Spyder
extended guards are way better than bosch and mobile1 because neither of those two use synthetic media. the extended guard is nothing like an OCOD
Originally Posted By: Jakegday
i'd say its not as good as a royal purple, but better then a mobil and bosch
I'd love to know what you base this on. Please provide a link to any source that's done a filter comparison and arrived at this conclusion.
-Spyder
extended guards are way better than bosch and mobile1 because neither of those two use synthetic media. the extended guard is nothing like an OCOD
The Extended Guard is a very good filter, I've used a number of them with no issues to report. I'd use one again any day. On par with other higher-tier OTC oil filters like the Mobil 1, Purolator PureONE and Bosch.
Originally Posted By: trabuccomlfrd
Originally Posted By: Spyder7
Originally Posted By: Jakegday
i'd say its not as good as a royal purple, but better then a mobil and bosch
I'd love to know what you base this on. Please provide a link to any source that's done a filter comparison and arrived at this conclusion.
-Spyder
extended guards are way better than bosch and mobile1 because neither of those two use synthetic media. the extended guard is nothing like an OCOD
Where are you getting this information?
From XOM's website:
# Designed for today's longer service intervals.
# Removes more contaminants than conventional filters using an advanced synthetic fiber blend filter media.
# High-capacity design stores more contaminants (two times the capacity of the leading brand).
# Reduces resistance to oil flow while improving filter efficiency.
# Withstands up to five times the normal system operating pressure.
Or are you all stating that XOM is lying when they state, on the box and on their website, that the Mobil filter uses synthetic media?
Also still no link to any comparative study showing the Fram XG to be superior to the Mobil 1 EP. Let alone "far superior" as some here have claimed. But given the false information provided so far, I'm not surprised.
-Spyder
Originally Posted By: Spyder7
Originally Posted By: Jakegday
i'd say its not as good as a royal purple, but better then a mobil and bosch
I'd love to know what you base this on. Please provide a link to any source that's done a filter comparison and arrived at this conclusion.
-Spyder
extended guards are way better than bosch and mobile1 because neither of those two use synthetic media. the extended guard is nothing like an OCOD
Where are you getting this information?
From XOM's website:
# Designed for today's longer service intervals.
# Removes more contaminants than conventional filters using an advanced synthetic fiber blend filter media.
# High-capacity design stores more contaminants (two times the capacity of the leading brand).
# Reduces resistance to oil flow while improving filter efficiency.
# Withstands up to five times the normal system operating pressure.
Or are you all stating that XOM is lying when they state, on the box and on their website, that the Mobil filter uses synthetic media?
Also still no link to any comparative study showing the Fram XG to be superior to the Mobil 1 EP. Let alone "far superior" as some here have claimed. But given the false information provided so far, I'm not surprised.
-Spyder
From Fram's site regarding the XG:
* Specially engineered filtering media arranged in two plies and reinforced with a metal screen to deliver up to 10,000 miles of engine protection.1
* Traps and holds more than double the dirt of leading economy oil filter brands' average.2
* 97% Dirt Trapping Efficiency2
* Silicone anti-drainback valve holds a reserve of oil in the filter to help protect the engine during start-ups
This is the factual information from both manufacturers. It contrasts pretty starkly with the misinformation posted so far.
-Spyder
* Specially engineered filtering media arranged in two plies and reinforced with a metal screen to deliver up to 10,000 miles of engine protection.1
* Traps and holds more than double the dirt of leading economy oil filter brands' average.2
* 97% Dirt Trapping Efficiency2
* Silicone anti-drainback valve holds a reserve of oil in the filter to help protect the engine during start-ups
This is the factual information from both manufacturers. It contrasts pretty starkly with the misinformation posted so far.
-Spyder
Originally Posted By: Spyder7
Originally Posted By: trabuccomlfrd
Originally Posted By: Spyder7
Originally Posted By: Jakegday
i'd say its not as good as a royal purple, but better then a mobil and bosch
I'd love to know what you base this on. Please provide a link to any source that's done a filter comparison and arrived at this conclusion.
-Spyder
extended guards are way better than bosch and mobile1 because neither of those two use synthetic media. the extended guard is nothing like an OCOD
Where are you getting this information?
From XOM's website:
# Designed for today's longer service intervals.
# Removes more contaminants than conventional filters using an advanced synthetic fiber blend filter media.
# High-capacity design stores more contaminants (two times the capacity of the leading brand).
# Reduces resistance to oil flow while improving filter efficiency.
# Withstands up to five times the normal system operating pressure.
Or are you all stating that XOM is lying when they state, on the box and on their website, that the Mobil filter uses synthetic media?
Also still no link to any comparative study showing the Fram XG to be superior to the Mobil 1 EP. Let alone "far superior" as some here have claimed. But given the false information provided so far, I'm not surprised.
-Spyder
just look at the pics i just posted of one
Originally Posted By: trabuccomlfrd
Originally Posted By: Spyder7
Originally Posted By: Jakegday
i'd say its not as good as a royal purple, but better then a mobil and bosch
I'd love to know what you base this on. Please provide a link to any source that's done a filter comparison and arrived at this conclusion.
-Spyder
extended guards are way better than bosch and mobile1 because neither of those two use synthetic media. the extended guard is nothing like an OCOD
Where are you getting this information?
From XOM's website:
# Designed for today's longer service intervals.
# Removes more contaminants than conventional filters using an advanced synthetic fiber blend filter media.
# High-capacity design stores more contaminants (two times the capacity of the leading brand).
# Reduces resistance to oil flow while improving filter efficiency.
# Withstands up to five times the normal system operating pressure.
Or are you all stating that XOM is lying when they state, on the box and on their website, that the Mobil filter uses synthetic media?
Also still no link to any comparative study showing the Fram XG to be superior to the Mobil 1 EP. Let alone "far superior" as some here have claimed. But given the false information provided so far, I'm not surprised.
-Spyder
just look at the pics i just posted of one
Originally Posted By: Spyder7
From Fram's site regarding the XG:
* Specially engineered filtering media arranged in two plies and reinforced with a metal screen to deliver up to 10,000 miles of engine protection.1
* Traps and holds more than double the dirt of leading economy oil filter brands' average.2
* 97% Dirt Trapping Efficiency2
* Silicone anti-drainback valve holds a reserve of oil in the filter to help protect the engine during start-ups
This is the factual information from both manufacturers. It contrasts pretty starkly with the misinformation posted so far.
-Spyder
the mobile 1 may use a synthetic blend of fibers but the extended guard uses a complete synthetic media
From Fram's site regarding the XG:
* Specially engineered filtering media arranged in two plies and reinforced with a metal screen to deliver up to 10,000 miles of engine protection.1
* Traps and holds more than double the dirt of leading economy oil filter brands' average.2
* 97% Dirt Trapping Efficiency2
* Silicone anti-drainback valve holds a reserve of oil in the filter to help protect the engine during start-ups
This is the factual information from both manufacturers. It contrasts pretty starkly with the misinformation posted so far.
-Spyder
the mobile 1 may use a synthetic blend of fibers but the extended guard uses a complete synthetic media
I should add that I find the most striking difference between the two to be the way each manufacturer describes their filter: Mobil 1 uses the correct terminology (contaminants); while Fram just calls it "dirt."
That speaks volumes to me about the intended market for each.
-Spyder
That speaks volumes to me about the intended market for each.
-Spyder
Originally Posted By: trabuccomlfrd
the mobile 1 may use a synthetic blend of fibers but the extended guard uses a complete synthetic media
Slight difference between synthetic blend and "paper" as you originally called it, isn't there?
-Spyder
the mobile 1 may use a synthetic blend of fibers but the extended guard uses a complete synthetic media
Slight difference between synthetic blend and "paper" as you originally called it, isn't there?
-Spyder
Originally Posted By: Spyder7
I should add that I find the most striking difference between the two to be the way each manufacturer describes their filter: Mobil 1 uses the correct terminology (contaminants); while Fram just calls it "dirt."
That speaks volumes to me about the intended market for each.
-Spyder
the fram hold 28grams according to the box, how much does your m1 hold? does the words they use to market the product make a difference on the actual numbers? i think not
I should add that I find the most striking difference between the two to be the way each manufacturer describes their filter: Mobil 1 uses the correct terminology (contaminants); while Fram just calls it "dirt."
That speaks volumes to me about the intended market for each.
-Spyder
the fram hold 28grams according to the box, how much does your m1 hold? does the words they use to market the product make a difference on the actual numbers? i think not
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Originally Posted By: Spyder7
Originally Posted By: trabuccomlfrd
the mobile 1 may use a synthetic blend of fibers but the extended guard uses a complete synthetic media
Slight difference between synthetic blend and "paper" as you originally called it, isn't there?
-Spyder
i called it paper because compared to the extended guard it is part paper
Originally Posted By: trabuccomlfrd
the mobile 1 may use a synthetic blend of fibers but the extended guard uses a complete synthetic media
Slight difference between synthetic blend and "paper" as you originally called it, isn't there?
-Spyder
i called it paper because compared to the extended guard it is part paper
Originally Posted By: trabuccomlfrd
Originally Posted By: Spyder7
I should add that I find the most striking difference between the two to be the way each manufacturer describes their filter: Mobil 1 uses the correct terminology (contaminants); while Fram just calls it "dirt."
That speaks volumes to me about the intended market for each.
-Spyder
the fram hold 28grams according to the box, how much does your m1 hold?
I have no idea as I don't have the box in front of me; though I don't see the relevance. You've finally provided something factual, I'll give you that much. Of course, that was only after you were called out on the disinformation you originally posted (and which others then chose to parrot).
-Spyder
Originally Posted By: Spyder7
I should add that I find the most striking difference between the two to be the way each manufacturer describes their filter: Mobil 1 uses the correct terminology (contaminants); while Fram just calls it "dirt."
That speaks volumes to me about the intended market for each.
-Spyder
the fram hold 28grams according to the box, how much does your m1 hold?
I have no idea as I don't have the box in front of me; though I don't see the relevance. You've finally provided something factual, I'll give you that much. Of course, that was only after you were called out on the disinformation you originally posted (and which others then chose to parrot).
-Spyder
Originally Posted By: trabuccomlfrd
Originally Posted By: Spyder7
Originally Posted By: trabuccomlfrd
the mobile 1 may use a synthetic blend of fibers but the extended guard uses a complete synthetic media
Slight difference between synthetic blend and "paper" as you originally called it, isn't there?
-Spyder
i called it paper because compared to the extended guard it is part paper
Right. "part paper" = "made out of paper." Slight difference. What you posted was simply false, no matter how you try and explain it away.
-Spyder
Originally Posted By: Spyder7
Originally Posted By: trabuccomlfrd
the mobile 1 may use a synthetic blend of fibers but the extended guard uses a complete synthetic media
Slight difference between synthetic blend and "paper" as you originally called it, isn't there?
-Spyder
i called it paper because compared to the extended guard it is part paper
Right. "part paper" = "made out of paper." Slight difference. What you posted was simply false, no matter how you try and explain it away.
-Spyder
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