Just seen this video and found it interesting. What are your thoughts on this. Good. Bad. Ugly. Deal breaker or not.
Fram Endurance oil filters.
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Does the Endurance have the gasket between the center core and bypass valve like the old Ultra did?
No ... both the current Ultra, Titanium and Endurance have no fiber seal on the end cap at the dome end like the OG Ultra. It's now just metal-on-metal like pretty much any filter with metal end caps and a metal leaf spring in the dome end.
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Here are the thoughts posted by the WC HIMSELF (Who made Video). It's in the Comments section and he's responding to a previous comment:
@WhipCityWrencher
9 months ago (edited)
@ssalzillo1 Hi Scott,I don't know which filter is superior. They all have their good and bad points. This small space between the bypass valve and end cap wouldn't be a deal breaker for me, definitely, more oil will get filtered than not filtered. I still think these are very good oil filters.
I'm sure we'll see comments to this post regarding the faults....I'm simply posting HIS COMMENT AND THOUGHTS on the matter. No one can dispute it. PERIOD
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You certainly did. At least my comment was addressing the video....yours has NOTHING to add does it?
You keep trying to justify a leaky oil filter ... over and over in every thread you can find (this thread not posted on since mid June), so you are still beating the dead horse.
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I added pertinent information that a casual viewer of this Vid may not be aware of...You keep trying to justify a leaky oil filter ... over and over in every thread you can find, so you are still beating the dead horse.
You have added NOTHING to this thread with your recent post...NADA. ZIP...
Yeah....one of them is WC>>>THE ONE WHO MADE THIS VIDI gave my contribution ... I don't like leaky oil filters.Apparently some people do.
NO EMOJI FACE REQUIRED.....LOL
So? That's only his opinion, just like mine, which is that leaky oil filters aren't a good thing. Would you like a leaky filter from a tear in the media? ... same basic thing going on. So people can take both viewpoints and decide. You want people to take it that big leaks inside oil filters is just fine. If that's what they want to go for, then they should do it ... but don't try to justify it to anyone but themselves.
No emoji by you ... JUST ALL CAPS ... AND IN GIANT BOLD RED !!
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So? That's only his opinion, just like mine, which is that leaky oil filters aren't a good thing. Would you like a leaky filter from a tear in the media? ... same basic thing going on. So people can take both viewpoints and decide. You want people to take it that big leaks inside oil filters is just fine. If that's what they want to go for, then they should do it ... but don't try to justify it to anyone but themselves.
No emoji by you ... JUST ALL CAPS ... AND IN GIANT BOLD RED !!
There’s The Rub….
You’re peddling this as a BIG LEAK and I challenge that claim. No one has yet established the range of leakage in this case. Just a flashlight and rampant speculation. Lots of “bench racing” going on….lots of calculations and such…but nothing to substantiate BIG LEAKAGE and SO, we're left with endless assumptions , like ….it’s 10% .. which, BTW, is roughly at least 1-2 OZ of oil PER SECOND flowing through those tiny slits.
ZERO proof.
Yeah… Dead Horse is Alive and Well and won’t die for a LONG time.
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The calculations were shown in the other giant thread. Based on size of the gap reported by @Glenda W. the leak was 10-16% of the flow going through the filter. I'm leaning more towards the 16% leak rate based on my calculations, and reasons given in that thread. IMO, not really that insignificant.
1-2 oz per second is 60-120 oz per minute, which is a lot. Again, you can try to justify it in your mind, but I don't think many here are buying into your viewpoint that it's "nothing". Are you going to justify torn media too? Still recall the small group of Purolator fanboyz who tried to justify torn media in the Purolators filters when they were reported here with tears every day or two for awhile. If you think a leak like that is "cool", then go for it, and stop beating it to death. The last time this thread was posted in was mid-June, so you must be trying to dig up every Endurance thread possible to beat the horse some more.
You have zero proof ... not even an attempt at actually calculating the leak rate. Seems the only reason you're on this "leaky filter justification crusade", and bringing up the dead horse every chance you can find is because you have an Endurance on your car.
BTW - you seem to think Whip City likes leaky oil filters based on the comment of his you posted. I bet if you asked him if he would run one knowing it's leaking 15-16% of the flow he would go for something else. He even makes some comments that he doesn't like the big gap at the leaf spring in one of his videos.
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You think this entire discussion is about my “need to defend” having this in my car?
I would yank it out in a heart beat if I was convinced it had a serious flaw. I have no inclination to pledge allegiance to any filter or product….Endurance included. I’m 100% agnostic . So far , Endurance is top dog, bypass flaw notwithstanding. So, no, not jumping to another option because there is none for me at this time. I’m adverse to hysteria in general … and this appears to be a classic case .
I would yank it out in a heart beat if I was convinced it had a serious flaw. I have no inclination to pledge allegiance to any filter or product….Endurance included. I’m 100% agnostic . So far , Endurance is top dog, bypass flaw notwithstanding. So, no, not jumping to another option because there is none for me at this time. I’m adverse to hysteria in general … and this appears to be a classic case .
Double post
LoL ... you say you're 100% agnostic, but in the next breath you say the Endurance is "top notch" even if it does leak. Looks like fanboyism to me. At what leak rate percentage does it become "not top notch"?
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You don’t get it, I was implying that 60-120 oz per min (2-4qts) is crazy given these small slits
Top notch >>>show me any evidence.<<<LoL ... you say you're 100% agnostic, but in the next breath you say the Endurance is "top notch" even if it does leak. Looks like fanboyism to me. At what leak rate percentage does it become "not top notch"?
To the contrary. You have BUPKIS.
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