Fram Endurance Flashlight Test in canister

[ZeeOSix]

The calculation was based on using a round orifice. A very high aspect ratio slot would have a much smaller hydraulic diameter, which would affect the results.

Go back through all the calculation posts. As it dragged on, I used a discharge coefficient corrected for a rectangle. The flow came out less than the round orifice. And modeled the flow going through two separate and equal paths, each being 0.75" x 0.020".

Yes I have heard that joke before. Being an engineer, I have used that joke or similar to it a number of times. The way I have heard it told and that I have told it is with men and women standing on opposite sides of a dance floor and told to advance half the distance between them each time the music stopped. The mathematicians, or physicists in this case, threw up their arms and left knowing that they would never get there. But the engineers stayed knowing that they would get close enough for a practical application.

Yep, a classic engineer joke.

 

[CharlieBauer]

Looks like they also cheapened the media of the larger Ultra filters but kept the wire backing, probably because it won't be able to support itself under pressure due to pleat depth and wide spacing. I dunno why such relentless pursuit for short term profits and gains while sacrificing integrity in such a competitive market when you have overseas made oil filters looking better every day. That thing looks like some real Americaneseium. Thanks for sharing.

@Fair enough - can you count the number of pleats? The pink media had 36 pleats but Fram said that the updated Ultras had more pleats to increase the holding capacity to compensate for the new media not having as much depth holding ability.

 

[ZeeOSix]

^^^ From the photos I estimate 10-11 pleats in a 90 degree section. So my estimate is 40-45 pleats total.

 

[CharlieBauer]

^^^ From the photos I estimate 10-11 pleats in a 90 degree section. So my estimate is 40-45 pleats total.

That's a clever method but did you also look at the side with the wide spacing near the crimp? Perhaps only 8 pleats in 90 degrees on that side so seems like 36 to 38 which is not really an increase.

I've ordered a couple of OG Ultras from ebay. Should be good for 4 to 6 years in total by which time maybe the filter manufacturers will get their act together.

 

[Ronn]

I've ordered a couple of OG Ultras from ebay. Should be good for 4 to 6 years in total by which time maybe the filter manufacturers will get their act together.

eBay?
You going to tear them down first to insure
they’re for “real “ ? Lol

 

[CharlieBauer]

eBay?
You going to tear them down first to insure
they’re for “real “ ? Lol

Seller is just someone selling all sorts of things they pick up so not one of those random auto parts sellers. I will drop some oil down though to check for leaks even though it's an OG. It should have center tube holes so can somewhat check pleat spacing as well.

A while back I got a couple of Fram Pro Synthetic filters for a decent price. They were the Ultra without the grippy texture. Verified they were legit with Fram as those did come from a bulk seller.

 

[ZeeOSix]

That's a clever method but did you also look at the side with the wide spacing near the crimp? Perhaps only 8 pleats in 90 degrees on that side so seems like 36 to 38 which is not really an increase.

The number of pleats isn't the best way to judge the amount of media area. I've seen the Motorcraft filters I used keep the same number of pleats, but the center tube diameter increased and the pleat depth decreased - so the media area decreased by a lot.

Only way to know what's really going on is to measure the total media area. You can measure the number of pleats, length and depth of the pleats and calculate the area without cutting the media off the filter.

 

[Ronn]

Fram Titanium shows gasket on bypass valve. This is from Fram website.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Fram Titanium shows gasket on bypass valve. This is from Fram website.

Must be something new. This has not been seen before. I made a comment yesterday that it would be easier to put a gasket on the leaf spring than do the gasket on the end cap like the OG Ultra use to have. Will be interesting if filters cut open soon actually have this leaf spring gasket.

Edit - Fram's website also says the Titanium is wire backed. Huuum, either old info or they are changing it back to wire backed media. If they went back to wire backed media, and are putting a gasket on the leaf spring, then good for them. The Titanium in that configuration will be sought after. Time will tell if their website is accurate or not.

 

[Glenda W.]

I took some pics. Not a very good job on picturing the gaps. Filter not clean inside in my opinion. Some kind of tiny silver specks on silicone valve, couldn’t picture. Valve has black ring from not clean end cap. More bumps on bypass sealing area outside of the ripples. Didn’t measure gap, almost no need to. I read First Brands was bought this year by another conglomerate, Crowne.
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Thanks for posting this. I find this Ultra like no others I’ve seen. Is there a possibility this is counterfeit? The quality and materials are quite subpar. Even the metal surfaces seem pitted and corroded. Amazon and Ebay are a hotbed right now.

 

[Ronn]

Edit - Fram's website also says the Titanium is wire backed. Huuum, either old info or they are changing it back to wire backed media

Also advertising new baseplate “Power Flow” that sets it apart from other Fram models. “Teardrop”’shaped holes. Saw this on older C&P here though .

 

[Glenda W.]

Also advertising new baseplate “Power Flow” that sets it apart from other Fram models. “Teardrop”’shaped holes. Saw this on older C&P here though .

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[CharlieBauer]

Must be something new. This has not been seen before.

He's taken that first screenshot from a 4 year old video. It's the OG Titanium.

And the second screenshot is from an exploded Titanium with pink media.

 

[Glenda W.]

One of my Titanium c&p’s. 10k+ with Amsoil SS.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/og-fram-titanium-fs7317-10-543-oci-c-p.384129/

 

[CharlieBauer]

Edit - Fram's website also says the Titanium is wire backed. Huuum, either old info or they are changing it back to wire backed media. If they went back to wire backed media, and are putting a gasket on the leaf spring, then good for them. The Titanium in that configuration will be sought after. Time will tell if their website is accurate or not.

The Titanium picture also shows pink media.

It's just old and not 100% updated (they did at least change it to "synthetic blend" media). The 4 year old video shows they had a gasket on the leaf spring so the picture is also old, not a sneak preview of the future.

 

[Glenda W.]

But the Titanium picture also shows pink media.

It's just old and not 100% updated (they did at least change it to "synthetic blend" media). The 4 year old video shows they had a gasket on the leaf spring so the picture is also old, not some sort of sneak preview of the future to get bitog excited.

I'm going to guess that when it was launched, the graphics person was given a dissected filter and saw the seal and took artistic liberties.

Im still finding OG Titaniums! It’s worth a look at your local AAP.

 

[CharlieBauer]

Im still finding OG Titaniums! It’s worth a look at your local AAP.

Yes I was thinking that but I just got 2 OG Ultras shipped from ebay for less $ and the AAPs are out of my way.

2 should be good for 4 to 6 years for my application.

 

[Ronn]

So I just tested two XG2 both manufactured Plant A June 25th 2024 Shift 1.

Using a funnel, I poured M1 0w40 down the center hole.

Within minutes, both drained through and therefore FAILED.

This just dawned on me.
If you filled the tube, how much of that would be absorbed by the filter itself?
Could be substantial?

 

[Ronn]

The Titanium picture also shows pink media.

It's just old and not 100% updated (they did at least change it to "synthetic blend" media). The 4 year old video shows they had a gasket on the leaf spring so the picture is also old, not a sneak preview of the future.

The top is pic from here posted 4 years ago. The bottom is the current display , but don’t know when it originated.
Edited: Ok, the video is from 4 years ago, but I don’t know how old the current photo (shown here) on the Website is.

 

[BrendanC]

Fram Titanium shows gasket on bypass valve. This is from Fram website.

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i’ve cut open a lot of new and old titanium’s. i can assure you that the gasket doesn’t exist.