Fram Endurance FE10575 C&P

[BrendanC]

2021 f150 5.0L 83k miles
in service 12.5k miles

out/off: 9 quarts HPL PCEO 5w-30 with Fram Endurance FE10575

in/on: 9 quarts HPL PCEO 5w-30 with new wire backed Fram Titanium FS10575

did its job and leaf spring was ruffle looking on one side but couldn’t catch my fingernail.

 

[TomYoung]

Any thought of a shorter OCI?

 

[BrendanC]

Any thought of a shorter OCI?

why would i do that?

 

[fantastic]

Looks ok, don't see pic of ruffly leaf spring though.

 

[TomYoung]

why would i do that?

To remove filthy, oxidized, acidic oil, and to replace with fresh.

 

[BrendanC]

To remove filthy, oxidized, acidic oil, and to replace with fresh.

it’s HPL. i have a UOA from this truck specifically that showed HPL held up well.

 

[TomYoung]

it’s HPL. i have a UOA from this truck specifically that showed HPL held up well.

UOA typically does not tell story on suspended dirt or oxidation. There is nothing even the most premium oils can do about dirt.

 

[53' Stude]

UOA typically does not tell story on suspended dirt or oxidation. There is nothing even the most premium oils can do about dirt.

I would NOT shorten the OCI knowing what we know about HPL oils. Opinions vary a lot I see

 

[ZeeOSix]

There is nothing even the most premium oils can do about dirt.

At least run a high efficiency (99% @ 20u or better) filter for longer OCIs. If an inefficient Boss or Wix XP was run for 12.5K miles the oil would have a higher particle count over the OCI.

 

[BrendanC]

At least run a high efficiency (99% @ 20u or better) filter for longer OCIs. If an inefficient Boss or Wix XP was run for 12.5K miles the oil would have a higher particle count over the OCI.

exactly what i did. the latest UOA with
particle count for this truck was great. not quite as good as the GM stuff but we’ll cut this 5.0 a break.

 

[ZeeOSix]

exactly what i did. the latest UOA with
particle count for this truck was great. not quite as good as the GM stuff but we’ll cut this 5.0 a break.

What filter was used on that UOA with a PC that was more than just the wear metal ppm counts in a typical UOA.

 

[THORROMIG]

Thanks for the cut & post. Filter did its job for the duration. You must have faith in Fram -- hence you put another Fram product on.

 

[BrendanC]

What filter was used on that UOA with a PC that was more than just the wear metal ppm counts in a typical UOA.

endurance

 

[Bill7]

endurance

The Fram Ultra and Endurance suffer from the leak of unfiltered oil from the leaf springs. Would anyone know if the Fram Titanium has the same defect?

 

[Mewbs]

exactly what i did. the latest UOA with
particle count for this truck was great. not quite as good as the GM stuff but we’ll cut this 5.0 a break.

What was the ISO oil cleanliness code if you don't mind me asking? The GM filter one too as a reference would be a good baseline to know.

 

[ZeeOSix]

The Fram Ultra and Endurance suffer from the leak of unfiltered oil from the leaf springs. Would anyone know if the Fram Titanium has the same defect?

Most likely, since the Titanium got rid of the leaf spring fiber seal, and the leaf spring is most likely from the same supplier.

 

[ChrisD46]

UOA typically does not tell story on suspended dirt or oxidation. There is nothing even the most premium oils can do about dirt.

Unless the 12,500 miles was mostly highway miles , I’d be changing a 9 qrt oil engine capacity oil every 10K mile / 12 month OCI and then consider I got my money’s worth on the oil filter and oil with a cleaner engine the result . Just because someone said or you were told you could go longer on the oil doesn’t mean you should . Besides , I like to get under a vehicle to check for any leaks and do a general inspection underneath for anything out of place (at least once year in your case) .

 

[RobbS]

2021 f150 5.0L 83k miles
in service 12.5k miles

out/off: 9 quarts HPL PCEO 5w-30 with Fram Endurance FE10575

in/on: 9 quarts HPL PCEO 5w-30 with new wire backed Fram Titanium FS10575

did its job and leaf spring was ruffle looking on one side but couldn’t catch my fingernail.

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Myself, I would never use a Fram product on my car. No matter the cost, I'll use Mobil1 EP or Puralator BOSS instead.

 

[BrendanC]

Myself, I would never use a Fram product on my car. No matter the cost, I'll use Mobil1 EP or Puralator BOSS instead.

and why is that? is it the new leaf spring issues or because “fram is junk” from the orange can days? i urge you research boss/mobil 1 efficiency data.

 

[BrendanC]

What was the ISO oil cleanliness code if you don't mind me asking? The GM filter one too as a reference would be a good baseline to know.

it’s on the two UOA’s i’ve posted on here. the first is a 21’ chevrolet 5.3L after 12k on HPL PCEO, the other is this F150 at 12k on HPL PCEO.