Four of Top Five Most Miserable Cities is in CA

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Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS
Originally Posted By: Tempest
That's why they want to demolish 10,000 abandoned homes, right?

And of course they only have to close down half of their schools unless they get a bailout.

I know those are signs of a city on the rise....


As odd as this may sound....if you lived here or actually knew anything about Detroit then you would already know, these are actually good signs of progress. A city built and designed to house 4 million plus that has only 700k residents is going to have some vacant homes that need demolishing. And a city designed to educate the children of 4 million people that only has to serve 700k people will have many underutilized schools. For years they have stood in decay while the City ignored the blight, at least today they are discussing ways to consolidate the city to properly size it's services and infrastructure to fit the number of citizens. The delays and intransigence has cost this region millions over the years. Bulldozing the abandoned homes IS progress in Detroit.

Besides, you miss the point anyway. Tell me what do you know about the housing and schools in Birmingham? The Pointes? Grosse Ile? Farmington? Farmington Hills? Bloomfield Twp? Bingham Farms? Plymouth Twp? Canton?...and on and on and on.

If your understanding of Detroit starts and ends at the City lines, then you dont know jack about Detroit. If your understanding of Detroit comes from the MSM you REALLY dont know jack about Detroit.


LS2JSTS- Thank you, you just said what I wanted to but couldn't
 
Originally Posted By: Burt
I am getting tired of these 'list'articles. Guess they are cheap to produce and the statiscal analysis is pretty thin. WHo died and left them the arbtritor of misery? I hope that these articles are a passing fad.

Most of the "attention getting" articles on yahoo news are 100% lame to the max. I never bother with them any more.

"Fool me 381 times shame on you. Fool me 382 times, shame on me."
 
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A city built and designed to house 4 million plus that has only 700k residents

That pretty much says it all right there. Thanks.
 
What drove all those people to pack up and leave Detroit ?
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Originally Posted By: Tempest
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
What drove all those people to pack up and leave Detroit ?
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Exactly.


Probably the same thing that has hurt every other industrial based city in the midwest, the factories started closing down and folks are looking for work.
 
Originally Posted By: Johnny

Probably the same thing that has hurt every other industrial based city in the midwest, the factories started closing down and folks are looking for work.


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204313604574328792152010638.html

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For the past 14 years, Lansing politicians have offered $3.3 billion in tax credits through the Michigan Economic Development Corporation and spent another $1.6 billion in outlays to create and retain jobs. The subsidies have ranged from tax breaks for Hollywood, to money for new industrial plants, to millions for TV ads starring Jeff Daniels and Tim Allen talking about business and tourism in the state.

It's one of the largest experiments in smokestack chasing in American history, but one thing it hasn't done is create jobs. An exhaustive new 100-page study by the Mackinac Center for Public Policy, a Michigan think tank, has reviewed where all the money has gone and what came of it. The study finds that for every 100 jobs that were promised with these tax credits over 14 years, only 29 arrived. Dare we call this cash for clunkers?

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Despite all the giveaways, Michigan was recently ranked as having the third most antibusiness climate among states, in a survey of executives by CEO magazine.

The entire state has been in the economic dump for over a decade.
 
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
These 4 miserable CA cities are in Northern part of the state and three are small communities. Each city has struggled with declining home prices, high unemployment and high crime rates, in addition to the problems all Californians face, like high sales and income taxes and service cuts to help close massive budget shortfalls.

1. Stockton
2. Miami
3. Merced
4. Modesto
5. Sacramento

http://realestate.yahoo.com/promo/americas-most-miserable-cities-2011.html


I think putting Miami as number 2 is completely ludacris...It is no more miserable then any other city [with all those factors listed] IMHO.
 
Originally Posted By: Johnny
Originally Posted By: Tempest
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
What drove all those people to pack up and leave Detroit ?
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Exactly.


Probably the same thing that has hurt every other industrial based city in the midwest, the factories started closing down and folks are looking for work.


Johnny,

The flight of citizens from the city of Detroit is a well documented phenomenon that has had volumes written on the subject. It is a far deeper topic than this forum will allow discussing in a complete manner. Despite the lame attempts by Tempest and others to portray the demise of Detroit as a recent or new development brought on by failed recent policies. It is perfectly clear to anyone who knows anything about history, that is not the case.

First of all the real flight began back in the 1960's, this is nothing new we are discussing here. The recent policies of our state not withstanding, the City of Detroit was already well below 1 million residents before the last decade even began. To blame recent policy for Detroits demise as Tempest seems to do, is pure ignorance of the situation. By 1980 Detroit had already fallen hard and for reasons that have nothing to do with our most recent policy makers.

One should always keep in mind that most of the jobs, plants and people who left Detroit back in the 50's,60's and 70's, really didnt go that far. The Metropolitan area grew by leaps and bounds as people left the City itself and built up the suburbs. New auto plants were built in Romeo, Wayne, Rawsonville, Ypsi, Warren, Sterling Heights, Flat Rock, Delta, Saline, Wixom...and on and on and on. Chrysler left Highland Park for Oakland County and all those jobs moved North with them.

Same thing with shopping. A WSU professor once wrote a book based on the theory that Detroit is merely a victim of it's own best known product. As the car gained popularity, the population centers expanded and people began to move further and further out. No where was this concept as readily accepted as it was here in the Metro Detroit area. As Detroit shrunk the suburbs and their services grew exponentially. Downtown Hudsons lost sales to their satelite stores at Northland and Eastland.

There is no argument from me that Tempests portrayel of the Michigan economy over the last ten or so years is accurate. But it in no way sheds any light at all about Detroit and its loss of population. The two issues couldn't be further removed from each other.

Also, please note, the idiots that instituted these recent failed policies, the people responsible, have all been removed. Either by election or by State and Federal prosecution. A study from 2009 looking back ten years doesn't help to explain the improvements wrought by the simple removal of criminal enterprises that were formerly running the City of Detroit. That simple act alone has brought a light of hope into this region that can and will be built upon. There is no doubt that between 2009 and today, Detroit's prospects have been on the upturn.
 
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