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Originally Posted By: ekpolk
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: Vizzy

Especially since it is a Toyota it should at least meet that standard....



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So, are you implying that Ford is a substandard brand that need not live up to this standard?


Well Toyota itself in every ad I see claims it has the highest reliability. And they sell a lot of cars from promoting this image. So I think it should be held to that standard. That goes for any automaker claiming it is the best.
 
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
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Well Toyota itself in every ad I see claims it has the highest reliability. And they sell a lot of cars from promoting this image. So I think it should be held to that standard. That goes for any automaker claiming it is the best.


OK, I'm right with you on this, really, but I do have one question: can you name an automobile maker which does NOT claim, overtly or by implication, that it is the best? For a long time, Pontiac did claim to "build excitement", and we all know where that got them. . .
 
Originally Posted By: odie
" but I have not yet figured out what "3 L.B." means in the subject line. "
Meant to say 3 door liftback . Was doing some editing and ran out of time .
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We can walk the walk of shame together. You could have been clearer -- and my brain could have functioned better too... Ouch.
 
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Originally Posted By: Vizzy

Especially since it is a Toyota it should at least meet that standard....



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So, are you implying that Ford is a substandard brand that need not live up to this standard?


Well Toyota itself in every ad I see claims it has the highest reliability. And they sell a lot of cars from promoting this image. So I think it should be held to that standard. That goes for any automaker claiming it is the best.


When you look at their reliability surveys over a good span of time, you'll see the reputation is earned. That said, like every auto maker they've had some problems here and there in the past, and some very high profile ones in the present.

Regardless of how impacting the current problems are, relative to millions of vehicles sold, there is no question that the brand image has taken some tarnish lately, and this is reflected in significant sales drops. For an automaker, image is everything, and lately they've lost credibility among the perception of the general public that they are still the gold standard they once were; and this is coming at a time when the market share they gained from that image, was at the expense of other heavy hitters who were having problems of their own - problems that have since been rectified, and whose image has been improving.

Overall I think the brand is still solid as it as ever was, and Toyota remains at the top of my list - although improvements in other manufacturers have placed them much higher in my own preference so even being the Toyota fan that I am, there's no guarantee that the second car I plan to buy will also be a Toyota; nothing to do with Toyota, and everything to do with me being satisfied that there are now more good alternatives to choose among then there were before.

With the company having the image problems lately that it is, it naturally opens them up to what me be an issue on a few cars (when taken into context of the total number of cars sold within that model) being perceived as a model wide issue deserving a recall, and when there is none, an assumption that Toyota is covering a problem up to avoid more press.

The OPs issue I don't dispute, nor that his perceptions are human nature and perfectly natural. At the same time, it doesn't mean the issue is model wide, in need of a recall, or that Toyota is covering anything up.

The Yaris one of their more popular models, and they sell an awful lot of them. 3 cases dose not indicate the problem is model wide. I think some perspective is needed here; it should be objective, and while I'm trying to be objective, I'm also up front that as one who is particularly partial to the brand, I am inclined to give them a little more benefit of the doubt than one who isn't. And I've become partial to other brands lately too, not just Toyota, so this is not "fanboyism."

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Originally Posted By: ekpolk
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
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Well Toyota itself in every ad I see claims it has the highest reliability. And they sell a lot of cars from promoting this image. So I think it should be held to that standard. That goes for any automaker claiming it is the best.


OK, I'm right with you on this, really, but I do have one question: can you name an automobile maker which does NOT claim, overtly or by implication, that it is the best? For a long time, Pontiac did claim to "build excitement", and we all know where that got them. . .


I don't see any automaker claiming they are the most reliable constantly like Toyota does. Claiming "We build excitiment" or "the ultimate driving machine" has nothing to do with constantly claiming you are the most reliable and selling cars primarily on that image. Whether a car is exiting or the best is another argument. When I said the word "best" I meant best reliability and that was what I was implying if i didn't explicitly state that.
 
Toyota built that reputation over a long period of time, and IMHO, they earned it. Whether this is still true today cuts to the heart of it many. As I said, whatever they claim, their sales numbers reflect that the general public is no longer giving them a blank check on reliability, their image has been tarnished, and the public is questioning whether the company, and the reputation for reliability it built its name on, still carries the water it once did - of if instead Toyota is resting instead on its laurels and is no longer deserving of that reputation.

Your post states what many are consciously, or unconsciously, questioning today and the proof is in their posted sales figures for the first 3 quarters of this year compared to last year, and the major drop in numbers.

Your point is valid and, based on the sales figures, seems to be mirrored by the general public.

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OK, back on topic.

Odie, did you try calling other Toyota dealers? Seems like your current dealer is very hard to work with and even if Toyota corporate approves your claim, you may still have problems with them.

This is a brand new car, any leaks are totally unacceptable and will get worse over time. You may even want to contact a lawyer, explain the situation and see where you stand. I hope it doesn't come to this, but it's better to be prepared.
 
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
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Well Toyota itself in every ad I see claims it has the highest reliability. And they sell a lot of cars from promoting this image. So I think it should be held to that standard. That goes for any automaker claiming it is the best.


OK, I'm right with you on this, really, but I do have one question: can you name an automobile maker which does NOT claim, overtly or by implication, that it is the best? For a long time, Pontiac did claim to "build excitement", and we all know where that got them. . .


I don't see any automaker claiming they are the most reliable constantly like Toyota does. Claiming "We build excitiment" or "the ultimate driving machine" has nothing to do with constantly claiming you are the most reliable and selling cars primarily on that image. Whether a car is exiting or the best is another argument. When I said the word "best" I meant best reliability and that was what I was implying if i didn't explicitly state that.


The ads around here, and the regional dealer network pays for a lot of them, claim the cars come with "a bulletproof reputation for reliability-- ask someone you know who drives one." They must be confident that in day to day operation, your friends/coworkers whose toyotas you see, are running fine and they are happy. (As compared to the internet where you find folks fixing problems with any make.)

So the weasel word decoder just says the cars come with a rep. They even use Top Gear footage of them dropping an ancient diesel Hilux off a building... mostly irrelevant with the current trucks.

I think Odie's mission is to make sure Toyota KNOWS about this, as he feels a part of the brand/family. This is why he was pestering the dealer to let him know the results of them talking to corporate about the head gasket. They aren't giving him much feedback/attaboy/thanks for pointing this out... so he's opening hoods and finding MORE cars with this problem.

Keep up the good fight, bud.
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" Odie, did you try calling other Toyota dealers? Seems like your current dealer is very hard to work with and even if Toyota corporate approves your claim, you may still have problems with them. "

We also e-mailed these issues to TOYOTA in JAPAN . Including pictures of the source of the leak and oil that had gathered down the backside for both YARIS . Suggested they may want to look into this . See where this leads . Probably a waste of time .
 
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SL 2 . Thanks for posting those . Did you get those from the YARISWORLD site . If so , there are other pics as well . We're not that great with computers .
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The picture of where the oil accumulates is from the 2010 3 door with little less than 12,000 miles . Discovered it around 6,000 miles while doing a oil change . Looked at the '08 sedan that same day and it was the same . Think that had about 15,000 miles on it at that time . The sedan was worse , had reached to the lip of the oil pan connected to the block . Since the replacement of the head gasket for the '08 sedan there has been no oil leaking from that spot as of yet
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The other picture is a teardown of a 2007 or 2008 YARIS with high mileage and not covered under the 5 year / 60,000 mile powertrain . I believe this had a slow coolant leak into the #1 cylinder . The same cylinder where the oil leaks from under the head gasket that's circled in RED . Makes us wonder if it started out as a oil leak and proceded to worsen over time to include a coolant leak into the #1 cylinder . You'll notice a good amount of deposits in that cylinder . We're trying to get an extended warranty of 7 year / 100,000 miles for free from TOYOTA for both cars in case there's a problem related to the head gasket . No , warranty (ties ) as of yet .
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Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: odie
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Picture please?
nope , no pics . Have to take my word for it .


Can't take a photo of your vehicle?

Interesting....


Either great mind think alike or maybe he doesn't know how to load pics.
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Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
I agree that just because a bunch of people on a car specific forum have similar problem, doesn't make it a common problem as far as general public is concerned.

If you visit Mazda 3 forums, you would think that Mazda's engines fail left and right. But if you scratch the surface, most of the cases were user error in not checking oil level between oil changes and just running low on oil or over tightening the plastic oil filter cartridge.
So while I don’t doubt OP that there is a problem, but I don’t think it is as common as internet forums make it out to be.



I AGREE! The majority of owners don't post that their vehicle is performing like it should on the Internet. Then when we have people post their "issues" with a vehicle the bashers come out with the talking points.

Really messes up with getting info out.

Bill


Same with with Accord V6 from 98-2002 and its 'fail' autobox. Maybe 5 out of every 100k Accord has with a V6 had a problem and certain websites made it sound like buying an Accord with a V6 is the worse thing in automatic history.
 
" Either great mind think alike or maybe he doesn't know how to load pics.
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Load pics at this site . It's a breeze at YARISWORLD .
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Toyota head gasket problem? It couldn't be! Our 97 Camry needed a head gasket with less than 10K on the clock (has been fine since). 2AZ's have had a run of bad gaskets. What's the deal with Toyota these days?
 
Toyota like Mercedes realized they can remove the quality from their production and the mass consumers will keep on buying their products. My 2006 toyota most likley be the last of 5 Toyotas I have owned. The 2006 is a pretty nice truck just not what I expect for the $$$ spent on a Toyota and the high priced parts.
 
Originally Posted By: ItsuMitsubishi
Toyota head gasket problem? It couldn't be! Our 97 Camry needed a head gasket with less than 10K on the clock (has been fine since). 2AZ's have had a run of bad gaskets. What's the deal with Toyota these days?
???? I put a new headgasket on my 88 4 cyl Camry and the 92 6 cyl P/U had head gaskets replaced on a campaign. They use cheap gaskets.
 
Originally Posted By: M1Accord
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: odie
Originally Posted By: The Critic
Picture please?
nope , no pics . Have to take my word for it .


Can't take a photo of your vehicle?

Interesting....


Either great mind think alike or maybe he doesn't know how to load pics.
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Originally Posted By: odie
" Either great mind think alike or maybe he doesn't know how to load pics.
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Load pics at this site . It's a breeze at YARISWORLD .
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Others do it just fine. And if they don't know how there are plenty of folks here to help.

Its a "breeze" here too....
 
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