formulators to cut the phosphorus content of motor oils

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Automakers have been saying for years that they want formulators to cut the phosphorus content of motor oils, to reduce its poisonous effect on catalytic converters.

However, ZDDP, which contains phosphorus, is a proven, affordable engine oil antiwear and antioxidant agent. Today's GF-3 engine oils may contain 0.10 percent maximum phosphorus, but the auto industry would like to see that volume halved within just a few years.

Reducing ZDDP by half in a single step would be a significant contributor towards what has been called “a revolutionary change” in engine oil technology. Stepping it down from 0.10 percent to 0.05 percent over two engine oil category upgrades and several years, as may be done, might fall into the evolutionary range. Either way, industry faces a considerable challenge in applying oil with lower ZDDP to older vehicles.

There may be another approach to reducing the damaging effect of phosphorus on catalysts: scavenge it. That is, reduce the amount of phosphorus available to reach the catalytic converter, through the use of an organic manganese compound called MMT (a trademarked shorthand for the full chemical name, methylcyclopentadienyl manganese tricarbonyl).

MMT is a gasoline additive, primarily an octane booster for unleaded gasoline. It was introduced by Ethyl Corp. of Richmond, Va., in the late 1950s and is heavily used in over 20 countries worldwide – including Canada where it is currently found in 80 percent of gasoline. It sees more limited use in the United States.

In addition to its primary role in boosting octane, Ethyl claims that “MMT scavenges phosphorus during combustion and allows it to be converted into stable, non-catalyst-poisoning form, reducing the actual amount of phosphorus reaching the catalyst by 60 to 70 percent.”

Multiple Benefits
“MMT is the most proven fuel component in history,” Ethyl claims. According to the EPA, says Ethyl, MMT will not cause or contribute to a failure of any emission control device or system. The improvement in emission system durability [from MMT use] is long-term and occurs regardless of vehicle model or emission system configuration.

In 1995, when EPA granted Ethyl a waiver allowing the use of MMT in conventional gasoline, it found that MMT effects on carbon monoxide show a small decrease. For oxides of nitrogen, a more substantial and more consistent decrease was seen, leading EPA to conclude there was no increase in hydrocarbon emissions, says Ethyl.

“EPA determined that U.S. refineries alone could save up to 30 million barrels of crude oil a year by utilizing MMT, resulting in less carbon dioxide [emissions], because less energy is expended to refine higher-octane gasoline components,” Ethyl also states.

Automakers suggested that MMT was harmful to on-board diagnostic systems, but in 1998, Ethyl said, the government of Canada weighed in: “Current scientific information fails to demonstrate that MMT impairs the proper functioning of automotive on-board diagnostic systems,” it said, adding, “MMT poses no health risk.”

California Dreaming
Last month California drastically tightened carbon dioxide limits to become effective in 2009, to reduce the effects of greenhouse gases. Ethyl noted, “In a vehicle using MMT fuel, less greenhouse-gas-forming nitrous oxide is emitted because the catalyst maintains a higher nitrous oxide-reducing catalytic action. It is estimated that over the lifetime of that vehicle this would be equivalent to a 3 percent reduction in greenhouse gases, as nitrogen dioxide is estimated to have 310 times the greenhouse gas-forming capability as carbon dioxide. Reductions in greenhouse gases associated with the use of MMT would be equivalent to the removal of many millions of vehicles from U.S. roadways.”

So, in addition to dramatically reducing phosphorus in engine oil and its poisoning effect on catalysts, MMT claims a multitude of other environmental benefits. It would seem a win-win situation.

Not so fast. Jo Cooper, president and CEO of the Alliance for Automobile Manufacturers, strongly disagrees. “It is our hope that EPA will recognize the impact of this [MMT] additive and take the appropriate steps to ensure its removal from our fuels,” Cooper bluntly urged last week.

The impact Cooper was speaking about was the findings of an $8 million study of MMT conducted by the AAM, the Association of International Automobile Manufacturers and the Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers Association. The study began in 1996 and the results were released on July 30. A 56-vehicle test fleet supplied by six manufacturers was driven 3.65 million miles during the six-year evaluation. The three auto groups declared, “The data produced by the tests represent the most comprehensive information currently available about the emissions effects of MMT.”

Among the key findings, they said, was that MMT impaired catalyst and emission control performance and “caused low emission vehicles to fail hydrocarbon emissions standards.”

The study also showed that, compared to low-emission vehicles driven on clear gasoline, at 100,000 miles MMT fueled low-emission vehicles had:
31 percent higher hydrocarbon emissions;
24 percent higher nitrogen oxide of emissions;
14 percent higher carbon monoxide emissions;
2 percent higher emissions of carbon dioxide; and
2 percent lower on-road fuel economy.

An evaluation of MMT's effect on on-board diagnostic systems was not conducted, nor did the study evaluate MMT's impact on phosphorus in gasoline engine oil.

Ethyl's Response
Ethyl received a copy of the report when it was made public last Tuesday and is evaluating it. Meanwhile, Rich Mendel, Ethyl's vice president for worldwide MMT marketing, commented, “The auto industry has spent six years and over $8 million on a secret test trying to find a problem they could not, and cannot find in the real world. Over the last 25 years, tens of millions of vehicles fitted with advanced emission and engine control systems have traveled trillions of miles using fuel formulated with MMT without any problems.”

When asked about the automobile industry's motivation, Mendel stated, “Auto companies strive hard to reduce their costs across the board. One way to reduce costs is to reduce variability in fuels so that testing costs for EPA certification can be lowered. MMT is a variable in the fuel so, even though it can dramatically improve the durability of a catalyst as well as reduce controlled atmospheric pollutants, auto companies feel that the extra certification costs offset that advantage. That's it in a few words.”

The cost factor has long been cited by General Motors. In April 1987, GM Canada stated, “With regard to the use of MMT-free fuel in emissions testing, this becomes an issue of economic practicality. GM alone conducts literally hundreds of emissions and fuel economy tests each year in the validation of the new fleet. To repeat all of these tests on a second fleet of cars would be very costly.”

Where to now? AAM's Jo Cooper has made a straightforward request to EPA – ban MMT in fuels – based on results of a large laboratory and field study. Ethyl’s Rich Mendel states that trillions of miles of real world usage have not revealed any MMT problems.
 
"California Dreaming Last month California drastically tightened carbon dioxide limits to become effective in 2009, to reduce the effects of greenhouse gases. "

Fine, then maybe carmakers won't ship cars to California and all of the "HUGGERS" can ride bicycles to work and to surf, and to campgrounds.

In my view, the amount of greenhouse gasses emitted by vehicles is a small and insignificant portion of CO type gasses emitted by volcanoes, rotting vegetation, and soil gasses.

The Green's have put forth an emotional smokescreen with little scientific basis, and energy and emissions policies are being made on pseudoscientific grounds.
 
If you live in California you know how bad the air quality is and how the extra emission is effecting the local climate. Remember, back in the days people say the same thing about the 3 way cat being impractical and now it became standard for all vehicle.

Not all of us are tree huggers, we just hate people driving big SUV and damage the living quality in my own neighborhood while we have to pay for it through various health problems.
 
What scientific basis is there that SUV's are causing the problems?

We always speak about freedom of choices in our society, but some people tend to want to limit the choices we can make as long as it doesn't affect THEIR group. Maybe I want a safe vehicle and SUV's are my only choice. Now some want to attempt to limit my safety by limiting my choice of vehicle.

The valley has had thermal inversions since day one. Look at some of the old plates of the LA river valley and you will see haze depicted in it.
 
People are quick to blame SUVs for emissions, but one airplane taking off puts out more emissions than a whole city worth of SUVs.
 
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People are quick to blame SUVs for emissions, but one airplane taking off puts out more emissions than a whole city worth of SUVs.

Don't be telling the tree huggers that, my livelihood may be threatened.
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My theory is that people who are opposed to SUV's and higher speed limits are actually poor drivers. They are afraid to drive and feel threatened by moving vehicles. Basically, they are passive aggressive and get a kick out of pushing everybody around. They're the same people everyone made fun of at school.
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I'm just a little cynical.
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Originally posted by jjbula:
My theory is that people who are opposed to SUV's and higher speed limits are actually poor drivers. They are afraid to drive and feel threatened by moving vehicles. Basically, they are passive aggressive and get a kick out of pushing everybody around. They're the same people everyone made fun of at school.
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I'm just a little cynical.
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Lordy!
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Whenever I have those thoughts I figure it's from lack of sleep or too much coffee!
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David <- Trying ever-so-hard not to subscribe to rationalized group-think.
 
Anyhow, I thought zinc was also a major fouler of catalytic converters? Molakule, if you're reading, can you explain the process behind chemical converter failure?

Thanks,
David
 
The EPA and Law makers cannot see the Forest because of the Trees

Think of how the 5/20 oil cars might eventually start burning oil,fouling the converters and air then ponder all the emissions spit out through the tail pipes at all the drive in windows of fast food places daily,then times it per year,then per ten years.

I think it is a shame Automakers don't make more Micro cars,but that is a marketing thing Huh?
 
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Whenever I have those thoughts I figure it's from lack of sleep or too much coffee!
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OneQuartLow,

Your right on the coffee. my mood is aggravated by all the airline pilots being furloughed. Guys like me can't seem to get an interview when the Majors are losing millions of dollars every day.
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I'm trying to do my part for the environment. Don't own a SUV. And I don't drive to work (read deadbeat)

Here's a statistic for you. An average day at a USAF pilot training base launches well over 200 sorties (flights). Each sortie burns 2-3K pounds of jet fuel. We have 4 USAF pilot training bases. Not to mention USN, USA, or USMC pilot training.

These are just to train up the newbies to send them to warfighting birds.
 
Sorry about opening up a whole can of worm by mentioning my opinion. I hope we won't get too personal about this whole thing and I would like to start by appologizing.

Regarding to the air quality issue. I am really on the environmentalist side because I have respirational related health problem. Seriously, the intention of government is really to try to push the car manufacture to sell cleaner car and design them to be more fuel efficient. But, to avoid high cost they decided to cheat by using thinner oil and thats how the whole issue started.

I think the blame should be on the shoulder of car manufacture, as well as us consumer. Some car company can do better in fuel economy and emmission than others and have no problem selling hybrids, while others think of it as less profitable to do so. Our fault: we want bigger cars, but how many of us take fuel efficiency and emmission into consideration when we buy a new car? If there is no one set the limit, we might see diesel truck in every single driveway in the neighborhood.

So, EPA is now being blamed by car company, as well as us consumer.
 
You are right PandaBear.

I was going off on a caffiene induced tangent about speed limits and government beaucracy as they encroach on our freedoms.

Along with that gridlock, if the government really wanted to improve air quality they would mandate the most advanced catalytic converters available. Remember that Honda accord radiator that supposedly cleans ozone? Why aren't those on every vehicle? Cars and trucks that are routinely used in problem areas need special attention.

The biggest problem--My concept of personal freedom and acceptable cost for the environment is not the same as everyone else's. I don't live in the city anymore and don't have those aggravations.
 
We need some real leaders that are dedicated to doing what is right. Not what is popular.

I've heard about how the air quality is still bad in L.A. A couple of years ago I heard it was better, but found out I was wrong.

The air in Atlanta is bad now too. Oddly, the heat downtown is terrible because of all the urban sprawl. It is much cooler outside the city.
 
If the government wanted to get everyone driving small cars, an extra 2 bucks a gallon tax on gasoline would be a start.
Now I'm sure we would all favor that, right? The fact is the environment, education, social security, world peace, etc, etc, are all things ALL politicians talk a great deal about. There are no simple and painless solutions to these problems. Just my 2 cents.
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