For Those of You Anxiously Awaiting FP3000...

LCD · Oct 15, 2006

Shelby....sorry for the delay. Send us an email if you need a quick answer to something as we do not check this board every day.

Per our order page: FP3000 is the following:

Fuel System Cleaner and Upper Cylinder Lubricant

FP3000 is a newly developed fuel system cleaner and lubricant derived mostly from renewable resources:FP3000 will lubricate the fuel pump, fuel injectors, and the upper cylinder area.

FP3000 burns clean which means few deposits are left behind while cleaning the fuel system and the upper combustion chamber.

The main differences between FP60 and FP3000 is 3000 is made from mostly renewable resources and burns cleaner than FP60. It is also a UCL which FP60 is not and that was a large factor in creating this product was to have a UCL.

Shelby · Oct 15, 2006

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Send us an email if you need a quick answer to something as we do not check this board every day.

We'll you had skipped my question earlier in this post, but anyhow thanks for answering me. Sounds like a good product. So there is less work for the Catalytic Convertor than fp60?

boxcartommie22 · Oct 16, 2006

fp60 is not a ucl??? i thought it was one of the best?

boxcartommie22 · Oct 16, 2006

i use one of molas brew 3:1 fp60/neutra

Crashbox · Oct 16, 2006

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fp60 is not a ucl??? i thought it was one of the best?

That's what I thoughted, too.

buy_25 · Oct 16, 2006

If Fp60 is a UCL, it does not state that on the bottle. So it never was in my eyes.

Ken2 · Oct 17, 2006

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Bruce,

SwRI did the SAE J1321 Fuel Economy test which is THE test in the trucking industry. Anything over 2% considered to be a success and is hardly ever seen. In 25 years at SwRI the man over the test has only seen 3 additives get over 2%.....ours is one of them.

Help me with this math...$47.50 + $12 freight to me = $59.50 per gallon. 46.5¢ per ounce, or a treat cost of 9.3¢ per gallon of diesel fuel. If diesel fuel is, say, $2.50, a 2% savings is 5¢ per gallon. It costs almost a dime to save a nickel.

Where does my math go wrong?

Ken

acewiza · Oct 17, 2006

I suppose you have to figure out how to factor in the cost of a $1500 injection pump, $500 injectors, $300 fuel pump, etc. etc. All these things will last as they should in the ULSD diesel environment, with the help of FP3000. Not sure about the cost of similar repairs in gassers, and those numbers are ballpark figures that certainly vary widely by application, but it's surely a consideration.

I won't get into a numbers game on this, just offering a perspective. (where's Bottgers??

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Shelby · Oct 17, 2006

Does FP3000 help the low sulfer issues facing diesels, or are shaeffers more appropiate for that?

biomed_eng_2000 · Oct 18, 2006

FP3000 is promoted as:
"Fuel System Cleaner and Upper Cylinder Lubricant

FP3000 is a newly developed fuel system cleaner and lubricant derived mostly from renewable resources:FP3000 will lubricate the fuel pump, fuel injectors, and the upper cylinder area.

FP3000 burns clean which means few deposits are left behind while cleaning the fuel system and the upper combustion chamber."

Nowhere does it say it increases fuel economy...although that may be a real side benefit. I don't buy Techron to gain mpg, I use it to clean. So if I use FP3000 to clean and lube, the mpg increase is a nice side benefit.

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Bruce,

SwRI did the SAE J1321 Fuel Economy test which is THE test in the trucking industry. Anything over 2% considered to be a success and is hardly ever seen. In 25 years at SwRI the man over the test has only seen 3 additives get over 2%.....ours is one of them.

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Help me with this math...$47.50 + $12 freight to me = $59.50 per gallon. 46.5¢ per ounce, or a treat cost of 9.3¢ per gallon of diesel fuel. If diesel fuel is, say, $2.50, a 2% savings is 5¢ per gallon. It costs almost a dime to save a nickel.

Where does my math go wrong?

Ken

Thatwouldbegreat · Oct 18, 2006

Ordered my gallon.

Shaman · Oct 18, 2006

Will this be offered at a 32 oz. size for those who can't pre-order?

LCD · Oct 18, 2006

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Bruce,

SwRI did the SAE J1321 Fuel Economy test which is THE test in the trucking industry. Anything over 2% considered to be a success and is hardly ever seen. In 25 years at SwRI the man over the test has only seen 3 additives get over 2%.....ours is one of them.

Click to expand...

Help me with this math...$47.50 + $12 freight to me = $59.50 per gallon. 46.5¢ per ounce, or a treat cost of 9.3¢ per gallon of diesel fuel. If diesel fuel is, say, $2.50, a 2% savings is 5¢ per gallon. It costs almost a dime to save a nickel.

Where does my math go wrong?

Ken

Ken....it is hard to look at it like that. In terms of mpg the SAE formula brings our test to an average of 10% mpg improvement.

This J1321 test does not measure in mpg, but they have a formula to figure that and when putting in our numbers into that formula it comes to an average of 10% and a high of 15% mpg improvement.

Tempest · Oct 18, 2006

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an average of 10% and a high of 15% mpg improvement.

Do you have real world testing/documentation to back that up? If this test/formula does not correlate to real world results it is useless.

Shelby · Oct 18, 2006

I agree with Tempest, you either get 10 to 15% MPG increase or you don't. What variables does the test take into factor? A new clean motor, or a motor that runs badly cause of fuel/oil problems, an old motor that has been maintained well, etc? Personally, I agree that the gas milage should be a secondairy consideration, but if LCD is going to make claims then it would be nice for some backup.

Did you see my question Jeff, "Does FP3000 help the low sulfer issues facing diesels.?"

Texas Aggie · Oct 19, 2006

Okay, I did a little spreadsheet for this. The treat rate is 1 oz. per 10 gallons, so the actual cost per mile is $ 0.046, based on the $59.50 figure for total costs. My truck gets about 18 MPG, so I used that as a test figure. At that cost, I figured that I could use FP3000 for free, basically. That doesn't include any benefits of cleaning, etc. I used the original figure of a 2 % MPG increase that was quoted. With 10 to 15 %, of course, the numbers would be much better. This link will give you the spreadsheet I used, I would like for someone to look it over and let us know what they think.

http://amd.streamload.com/texagg99/Hosted/FP3000 Savings.xls

ted s · Oct 19, 2006

SO FP3000 will work as a lead subistute?

Texas Aggie · Oct 19, 2006

Maybe this will work this time.

Link to spreadsheet

LCD · Oct 19, 2006

Shelby.....we paid $80,000 to back that up. Those MPG numbers are from that test.

We took the numbers we got from the test and used the SAE formula for that test to get mpg numbers.

The SAE J1321 is the most rigourous fuel economy test you can do. 3 trucks with DD60 engines 2 used our product one was a control. These engines had anywhere from 200,000 - 300,000 miles on them which is not that much for these engines.

All variables are accounted for as the control runs the same route in the same conditions....they monitor wind speeds and even driver habits to make sure nothing is missed.

The SAE J1321 does not measure in mpg.....it measures in either percent fuel saved or precent improvement all based on lbs of fuel consumed. To get mpg readings you must take these numbers and use their formula which we did and it gave us a 10% average increase in mpg.

LCD · Oct 19, 2006

Yes, FP3000 and FP60 help with low sulfur diesel fuel as they both add lubricating properties.

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