Thats really cool. I just checked it out.
“For BP, car chargers to overtake pumps in profitability race”
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Thats an interesting angle I never thought of.
I been taking it for granted that the grid will never support a mass motorization via EVs for a long time to come.
But i never thought of this part.
Anybody else have any thoughts on this ?
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This is more than neutralized by the push for electric heat. For example, Ontario's gas heating demand when converted to electrical is roughly the same as our non-heating demand. So we go from 20,000MW to 40,000MW by electrifying heat, which, not surprisingly, ends up looking like Quebec, which doesn't have the population of Ontario, but everything there is electric. This recent cold snap pushed them north of 40,000MW and they were importing from Ontario.
From this site:
https://public.tableau.com/app/prof...ductiondemandeQC/QCElectricitySupplyandDemand
This graph, you can see where demand exceeded supply.
Increased efficiency in buildings helps only if they are already only serviced with electrical. If they are gas heated, converting that to electrical drives up demand substantially. Over 60% of heat in Ontario is provided by Natural gas. The rest is a mix of wood, oil, propane and electricity.
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That might be the case where it doesn't get really cold but I can assure you that large buildings here in the GWN are actively heated during the winter, typically using natural gas. When I was recently in hospital, and it wasn't even that cold out (Toronto General is a sprawling tower arrangement) the heat was running regularly.
And yes, cooling is another thing, but we currently already see that load; it's reflected in our ~24GW summer peak. Quebec's A/C season isn't anywhere near as high demand as their winter heating season. They are a winter peaking grid, whereas Ontario, because we heat with gas, are a summer peaking grid, though we also have a smaller winter peak.
Not necessarily. The Mall of America in Minneapolis for example has no heating system. Minneapolis has significantly colder winters than Toronto. They’re more like Montreal winters.
“MOA does not use a central heating system; instead, 70 degrees is maintained year-round with passive solar energy from 1.2 miles of skylights and heat generated from lighting, store fixtures and body heat”
https://www.mallofamerica.com/about
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Now that's quite fascinating! The 1.2 miles of skylights I'm sure help significantly, though I wonder how cold it go in there during COVID?
Doing a bit of reading, the entrances are all heated and individual stores all have their own heating systems though, so it's only the main body of the mall that's expected to be heated by fixtures, skylights and patrons.
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This is interesting. BP Pulse has been installing charging “GigaHubs” at large airports - I think they have them planned at 40 US airports so far.
They just put out a request to join a “Stress Test” at the new LAX location. It appears 48 stalls are there. They’re apparently gonna test that it can handle 48 cars blasting at the same time.
“PLEASE READ: Thank you for your interest in the bp pulse stress test for our new EV charging hub at LAX. By registering, you will reserve a 30-minute charging session at a heavily discounted rate. This site is equipped with NACS and CCS connectors. Unfortunately, we are not able to accommodate vehicles that require CHADEMO and other vehicles such as: Nissan Leaf, Tesla vehicles built before 2022, or any vehicle not capable of DC fast charging.
Duration: 30 minutes”
Walkaround of the Boston Logan one that just opened. O’Hare is under construction now. I think the plan is to accommodate LYFT/Uber drivers.
They just put out a request to join a “Stress Test” at the new LAX location. It appears 48 stalls are there. They’re apparently gonna test that it can handle 48 cars blasting at the same time.
“PLEASE READ: Thank you for your interest in the bp pulse stress test for our new EV charging hub at LAX. By registering, you will reserve a 30-minute charging session at a heavily discounted rate. This site is equipped with NACS and CCS connectors. Unfortunately, we are not able to accommodate vehicles that require CHADEMO and other vehicles such as: Nissan Leaf, Tesla vehicles built before 2022, or any vehicle not capable of DC fast charging.
Duration: 30 minutes”
Walkaround of the Boston Logan one that just opened. O’Hare is under construction now. I think the plan is to accommodate LYFT/Uber drivers.
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I think, if we ever get a significant amount of EVs on the road Americans will learn how frail our grid is. Do we all have blinders on? Even today, coming this summer extreme concerns for the MidWest power issues.
Countless information at the energy.gov site. Dont get me wrong, if as a nation we were doing something about it, like a massive program to build nuclear plants I might have some hope. But I think we all know in a free society that we normally wait until catastrophe events to take place before the public can accept massive new costs.
Right now there are only 6 million EVs out of 300 million on USA roads, forecast to rise to 18 million by 2030. Yet even today we have power issues during strong demand. Heck, technology companies trying to expand have to plan where they can get power to operate.
Anyway, I guess EV will always be here however never during the lifetime of anyone in here we see them over take the 275 million plus cars on the road without some type of break through.
These are current (no pun intended *LOL*) issues below with a fraction of EVs on the road.
https://gridbeyond.com/california-a...electricity-shortages-in-the-next-five-years/
(ps gotta love the Southeast!)
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AS far as BP and Shell overseas. Yeah, for sure, I would think they get their act together and as we move into the future they (and other "oil" interests) will command a large or total percentage of of recharging stations through innovation that will make people want to use them regardless of price (mostly)
Holy 3.5 year old thread, Batman! I guess it is topical because it's still about what BP is doing in charging.
Considering my rates at home, I would not drive somewhere to test a charger because my time is worth more than that, but, interesting nonetheless. I'm sure for people in CA, they might be saving 25 or 30 bucks, it would be worth it.
Considering my rates at home, I would not drive somewhere to test a charger because my time is worth more than that, but, interesting nonetheless. I'm sure for people in CA, they might be saving 25 or 30 bucks, it would be worth it.
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