fleetfilter.com raised their prices

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So the 46637 I buy went from $19.54 to $24.86, which is over a 25% increase. I'm not a math whiz but if your price changed 13% or as you stated it was 58% of retail off and is now 45% of retail off..... Maybe I'm facing the wrong direction when I press the buttons......



Maybe they had a price increase on their end, so it may be 45% off retail still, just a higher retail?
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And what is the deal with everyone. You don't like the prices, go somewhere else. Even with the increase, they are cheaper than I can get them from my local store, even with shipping. Filter1 would cost me more than fleetfilter would since I am not going to order $50 worth of stuff.
 
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This time, we've had to alter our pricing because Wix doesn't like the amount of "kickbacks" we've been generating.




So ..Wix really didn't like "how" you were managing to qualify for kickbacks (which I assume goes on a less 10%, less 5% ..less 5% like format - or whatever). They said "We intended it to induce you to sell in bulk to commercial customers ..not to just anyone".

They just couldn't cope with your success. It was too simple and you made it look too easy.
 
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And what is the deal with everyone. You don't like the prices, go somewhere else.




It isn't so much the price increase it is the way it happened. Kinda ticks me off to the point I probably will avoid WIX products now...
You have a business man who is apparently happy with what he makes on a product but the manufacturer leans on him because he sells too cheap
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That just sucks

It would have been nice too if they had given everyone a few weeks notice to stock up prices were rising. Heck I might have dropped a few hundred to do that and now neither the company nor Wix gets anything from me.....smart move.
 
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our suppliers and their current customers are
concerned that our deals are too good for the average buyer.




Free enterprise eh?
Collusion?
Price fixing?
etc.
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None of this is directed at you fleetfilter, just the beurocracy driving the top end.

Alex.
 
One reason why I left Napa was their constant attempts to manipulate. Long story and I'll leave it at that but I never buy from Napa any more.
 
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And what is the deal with everyone. You don't like the prices, go somewhere else.




It isn't so much the price increase it is the way it happened. Kinda ticks me off to the point I probably will avoid WIX products now...
You have a business man who is apparently happy with what he makes on a product but the manufacturer leans on him because he sells too cheap
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That just sucks

It would have been nice too if they had given everyone a few weeks notice to stock up prices were rising. Heck I might have dropped a few hundred to do that and now neither the company nor Wix gets anything from me.....smart move.




I can understand that, it just sounded like everyone was griping at fleetfilter.

You never know, this may have been thrown at him and immediate changes had to be made.

Just gotta love corporate bureaucracy.
 
I cant really see Wix's logic, if they wish to "FIX" prices, All they do is drive thier customer base to a comparable filter such as Purolator at Pep Boys or AA, who constantly have sales, where you dont have to deal with shipping at all. I was under the assumption that Fleetfilter could sell cheaper because they didnt have the storefront expenses and they were a hub distributer. Wix certainly is doing their products any favor on any market with this tactic.
 
Bryan,

I have not bought from you but I recently priced a 1773 at NAPA and the Wix 51773 that is likely the same filter is still half the cost of what my local NAPA is selling it for. Your prices still seem fair to me. Just my 2 cents worth though.
 
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We can not sell the filters at low prices and give you free shipping. If we were to offer free shipping we would have to raise the prices, again. You, the customer, will save more money this way.
Bryan




If I understand you correctly your now offering a 45% discount as opposed to your old discounted price of 58%? 13% won't cover shipping?

Bryan - I'm not trying to cause trouble. I have a small stake in this because you're my primary supplier.

Thanks!
 
In an attempt to balance some of the griping in this thread, thank you Bryan for fleetfilter's continued support of BITOG.
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Price being equal (which often Fleet seems to be cheaper) it would be good to patronize site sponsors. Having said that, I don't like the Wix bullying tactics, but it would appear Fleet is a victim here as well.
Thanks Fleet for offering filters to BITOG members at a less than retail price.
 
This will probably divulge more than I care to, but here it is:

There were two reasons we were able to sell so cheaply on the internet: (1) we buy a monthly monster pile of filters from Wix and for that we get a minor discount, and (2) we used the old-school “kickback” system to sell filters to everyone at very low prices. We then took those savings and rolled them over to the customer with extremely aggressive pricing. Our profit margins are slim, but we kept the site going because we could occasionally get large customers who would buy $8000 in filters and because we have hope that the site can grow into a several million dollar company, and we stay profitable because of the volume. I’m into this for the long-term.

Now, our suppliers told us that we can only use the “kickbacks” if the customer buys $125 or more. They fined us late last week and told us to change the site immediately. We had little warning. They like what we do, but the people above us are trying to cover their butts from their bosses. Without those “kickbacks” now for the small guy, we are forced to rely on our pallet purchases to keep the website at the lowest prices possible, but I promise you 100% that we are making less money now than we ever have. But I know the site is a good thing and it still holds the possibility of growth due to the large volume purchasers and because the large volume in sales we might do in a few years.

It’s not only Wix that uses this system of “kickbacks” – the other major filter manufacturers and many auto parts manufacturers do the same thing. It’s an old-school system that I and many in the business don’t like; that’s why there aren’t many auto parts stores doing what we’re doing on the internet. We spent all weekend coming up with pricing formulas that were the best for the customer while keeping us in business – we looked at free shipping, different price structures, different discounts, and a variety of all three. The pricing we set on Tuesday was the best we could do for the small customer. I’d love to offer you free shipping, but if I do, I’ll fall under the profitability line, and if I do that, www.fleetfilter.com will have to close.

This is the nature of the auto parts business that most of the “outsiders” don’t know anything about. I’m doing everything I can to sell filters at aggressively low prices while bending every rule my suppliers throw at me. Here it is 2007, and I’m the only filter internet company doing it right (great prices, easy in, easy out, filters in a few days). How backward is that? There should be tens of companies like mine, but the industry as a whole thinks old-school, and they don’t know how to deal with my business model because it’s not a traditional business model. So I’ll keep bending their rules as long as I can continue to go forward, and maybe someday they’ll catch up.

Brian Schneider
Owner
 
Thanks for the explanation Brian!

Now could you guys on here just stop whining and be glad that fleetfilter is still around? Their prices are still awesome, so let's move on.
 
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Thanks for the explanation Brian!

Now could you guys on here just stop whining and be glad that fleetfilter is still around? Their prices are still awesome, so let's move on.




Ditto!
 
Thanks for the explanation Brian. Whether people agree with the pricing or not your participation in forum discussion, patience in response to criticism, and stick to it attitude already set you apart from other retailers in my mind. If I regularly bought Wix I would buy from you because it sounds like you are willing to communicate and respond to your customers. To be responsive and provide a discount that is better than what I can get locally too is enough to earn my business when I shop.
 
Do these changes have anything to do with idea that maybe Wix feels an obligation to support it's dealers with "store fronts" first?

Many companies have systems in place to "protect" the "store front" businesses that have overhead expenses. My guess is the fleetfilter did TOO good a job at undercutting the local sellers, someone noticed, and they raised a stink.

Internet buying is great, but it's making it hard on those businesses that provide us the personal attention we love.

A delemma.
 
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Fleetfilter does have a store front in Brenham. Next time I am out there I am going to stop by and get me a little stash of air and oil filters (even if you do have to pay a fee for picking up in person).
 
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