First oil change at 10,000 miles?
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Originally Posted By: Bamaro
Wow, 3 pages of replies and absolutely no consensus on an answer. Just another day at BITOG.
What's a "bamaro"? A camaro with a BMW engine in it? hmmm....
Anyway there are two sides here:
Side #1: Extra metal particles in oil wear down engines more.
Side #2: Extra metal particles in oil are good for engines.
Side #2 is nuts.
Any questions?
Wow, 3 pages of replies and absolutely no consensus on an answer. Just another day at BITOG.
What's a "bamaro"? A camaro with a BMW engine in it? hmmm....
Anyway there are two sides here:
Side #1: Extra metal particles in oil wear down engines more.
Side #2: Extra metal particles in oil are good for engines.
Side #2 is nuts.
Any questions?
Side #3: The engineers who designed the engine know way more than anyone here about when to change the oil. Do it when they say.
Originally Posted By: virginoil
Stupid OEMs can build a vehicle but cant be trusted to work out the maintenance requirements.
Might as well remove the oil filter as this thread is really questioning its filtration properties.
OEMs should listen to internet engineers.
Nearly perfect!
Stupid OEMs can build a vehicle but cant be trusted to work out the maintenance requirements.
Might as well remove the oil filter as this thread is really questioning its filtration properties.
OEMs should listen to internet engineers.
Nearly perfect!
Originally Posted By: ExMachina
Anyway there are two sides here:
Side #1: Extra metal particles in oil wear down engines more.
Side #2: Extra metal particles in oil are good for engines.
Side #2 is nuts.
Any questions?
I would say Side #2 is: Extra metal particles in oil are neither good nor bad. They make no difference to the engine.
Anyway there are two sides here:
Side #1: Extra metal particles in oil wear down engines more.
Side #2: Extra metal particles in oil are good for engines.
Side #2 is nuts.
Any questions?
I would say Side #2 is: Extra metal particles in oil are neither good nor bad. They make no difference to the engine.
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If you were half the engineer you claim to be you would understand that it makes no difference. Furthermore, there is strong supporting evidence that break-in material floating around does an engine good.
This is not the first time (or the last) that this topic has been discussed on this forum.
Originally Posted By: ExMachina
Originally Posted By: Bamaro
Wow, 3 pages of replies and absolutely no consensus on an answer. Just another day at BITOG.
What's a "bamaro"? A camaro with a BMW engine in it? hmmm....
Anyway there are two sides here:
Side #1: Extra metal particles in oil wear down engines more.
Side #2: Extra metal particles in oil are good for engines.
Side #2 is nuts.
Any questions?
This is not the first time (or the last) that this topic has been discussed on this forum.
Originally Posted By: ExMachina
Originally Posted By: Bamaro
Wow, 3 pages of replies and absolutely no consensus on an answer. Just another day at BITOG.
What's a "bamaro"? A camaro with a BMW engine in it? hmmm....
Anyway there are two sides here:
Side #1: Extra metal particles in oil wear down engines more.
Side #2: Extra metal particles in oil are good for engines.
Side #2 is nuts.
Any questions?
Given the millions of engines that haven't had an "early" first oil change, I think it's pretty well demonstrated that an early first oil change isn't necessary to achieve long engine life.
That being said, I like to do an early first oil change to get out the high levels of wear metals present. For those who might have seen it in an earlier post of the same subject, the pics below illustrate how much additional iron can be present in a new engine. First photo is of the magnetic drain plug at first oil change (less than 1K miles). Second photo is same engine and drain plug years later after a 4K OCI.
That being said, I like to do an early first oil change to get out the high levels of wear metals present. For those who might have seen it in an earlier post of the same subject, the pics below illustrate how much additional iron can be present in a new engine. First photo is of the magnetic drain plug at first oil change (less than 1K miles). Second photo is same engine and drain plug years later after a 4K OCI.
Why are we obsessed here changing the oil ?
Old school thinking to OCIs?
What is the function of the oil filter during the OCI ?
Or is the oil filter irrelevant in this debate?
Magnet on the end of a drain plug is worth 2/5 of 7/8 of 1/poonteenth IMO.
IMO you want to changing anything you are better off changing the oil filter half way into the OCI top up with factory fill and be done.
The chance of the oil filter blocking up is of greater concern than draining the FF early IMHO.
Stupid OEMs thank ""..od" we have BITOG to clear up their shortcomings.
Old school thinking to OCIs?
What is the function of the oil filter during the OCI ?
Or is the oil filter irrelevant in this debate?
Magnet on the end of a drain plug is worth 2/5 of 7/8 of 1/poonteenth IMO.
IMO you want to changing anything you are better off changing the oil filter half way into the OCI top up with factory fill and be done.
The chance of the oil filter blocking up is of greater concern than draining the FF early IMHO.
Stupid OEMs thank ""..od" we have BITOG to clear up their shortcomings.
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What some of you brainiacs above are forgetting, is that what automboile makers recommend are sometimes suboptimal since they really only care about making it through the warranty period, and other business factors in the real world.
Thanks Brian B for the drain plug porn, I think it tells the story. Iron paste in the 1 to 30 micron range particle size making it past the oil filter is like a grainy grit grinding compound which increases wear. The less of it in there the better.
Besides, we are ALL missing the real answer: Just do what Donald Trump would do here. He says he's pretty wise.
Thanks Brian B for the drain plug porn, I think it tells the story. Iron paste in the 1 to 30 micron range particle size making it past the oil filter is like a grainy grit grinding compound which increases wear. The less of it in there the better.
Besides, we are ALL missing the real answer: Just do what Donald Trump would do here. He says he's pretty wise.
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A witty and cute sentiment sometimes seen here on BITOG, but without a shred of evidence that it is anywhere near true.
Originally Posted By: ExMachina
What some of you brainiacs above are forgetting, is that what automboile makers recommend are sometimes suboptimal since they really only care about making it through the warranty period, and other business factors in the real world.
Originally Posted By: ExMachina
What some of you brainiacs above are forgetting, is that what automboile makers recommend are sometimes suboptimal since they really only care about making it through the warranty period, and other business factors in the real world.
OK, for those who think metal particles in the engines are better, do this: Put in a can of Restore engine restorer, or hey, just find some iron dust and stuff it in your fill-hole. Those metal particles are good for your engine, right?
This is just too ez.
This is just too ez.
Originally Posted By: ExMachina
OK, for those who think metal particles in the engines are better, do this: Put in a can of Restore engine restorer, or hey, just find some iron dust and stuff it in your fill-hole. Those metal particles are good for your engine, right?
This is just too ez.
Hilarious.
There can be particulate in the pan forever. The oil gets filtered before it gets circulated,so it's irrelevant.
You're right. It is too easy.
OK, for those who think metal particles in the engines are better, do this: Put in a can of Restore engine restorer, or hey, just find some iron dust and stuff it in your fill-hole. Those metal particles are good for your engine, right?
This is just too ez.
Hilarious.
There can be particulate in the pan forever. The oil gets filtered before it gets circulated,so it's irrelevant.
You're right. It is too easy.
What a ridiculous staterment.
You got anything to support your claim that automakers want the engine to only make it through the warranty period?
Originally Posted By: ExMachina
OK, for those who think metal particles in the engines are better, do this: Put in a can of Restore engine restorer, or hey, just find some iron dust and stuff it in your fill-hole. Those metal particles are good for your engine, right?
This is just too ez.
You got anything to support your claim that automakers want the engine to only make it through the warranty period?
Originally Posted By: ExMachina
OK, for those who think metal particles in the engines are better, do this: Put in a can of Restore engine restorer, or hey, just find some iron dust and stuff it in your fill-hole. Those metal particles are good for your engine, right?
This is just too ez.
Originally Posted By: kschachn
What a ridiculous staterment.
You got anything to support your claim that automakers want the engine to only make it through the warranty period?
Originally Posted By: ExMachina
OK, for those who think metal particles in the engines are better, do this: Put in a can of Restore engine restorer, or hey, just find some iron dust and stuff it in your fill-hole. Those metal particles are good for your engine, right?
This is just too ez.
Exactly. Truly absurd conspiracy theory. If an automaker truly built their vehicles that way it wouldn't be long before they couldn't sell a unit.
Pretty far fetched
And absolutely absurd.
There's one born every minute and apparently they are on bitog with multiple usernames.
What a ridiculous staterment.
You got anything to support your claim that automakers want the engine to only make it through the warranty period?
Originally Posted By: ExMachina
OK, for those who think metal particles in the engines are better, do this: Put in a can of Restore engine restorer, or hey, just find some iron dust and stuff it in your fill-hole. Those metal particles are good for your engine, right?
This is just too ez.
Exactly. Truly absurd conspiracy theory. If an automaker truly built their vehicles that way it wouldn't be long before they couldn't sell a unit.
Pretty far fetched
And absolutely absurd.
There's one born every minute and apparently they are on bitog with multiple usernames.
Originally Posted By: ExMachina
OK, for those who think metal particles in the engines are better, do this: Put in a can of Restore engine restorer, or hey, just find some iron dust and stuff it in your fill-hole. Those metal particles are good for your engine, right?
This is just too ez.
Ex-Machina take a back step your talking to seasoned BITOGers here not internet surfies.
Some of you posts make me visualise trolling characteristics.
OK, for those who think metal particles in the engines are better, do this: Put in a can of Restore engine restorer, or hey, just find some iron dust and stuff it in your fill-hole. Those metal particles are good for your engine, right?
This is just too ez.
Ex-Machina take a back step your talking to seasoned BITOGers here not internet surfies.
Some of you posts make me visualise trolling characteristics.
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Originally Posted By: ExMachina
What some of you brainiacs above are forgetting, is that what automboile makers recommend are sometimes suboptimal since they really only care about making it through the warranty period, and other business factors in the real world.
Thanks Brian B for the drain plug porn, I think it tells the story. Iron paste in the 1 to 30 micron range particle size making it past the oil filter is like a grainy grit grinding compound which increases wear. The less of it in there the better.
Besides, we are ALL missing the real answer: Just do what Donald Trump would do here. He says he's pretty wise.
Slow down Ex-Machina you are revealing yourself here.
What some of you brainiacs above are forgetting, is that what automboile makers recommend are sometimes suboptimal since they really only care about making it through the warranty period, and other business factors in the real world.
Thanks Brian B for the drain plug porn, I think it tells the story. Iron paste in the 1 to 30 micron range particle size making it past the oil filter is like a grainy grit grinding compound which increases wear. The less of it in there the better.
Besides, we are ALL missing the real answer: Just do what Donald Trump would do here. He says he's pretty wise.
Slow down Ex-Machina you are revealing yourself here.
Originally Posted By: tamedcowboy
I have about 700 miles on my 2015 Ford Focus SE with the 2.0L Ti-VCT I-4 Flex Fuel (not the EcoBoost). Should I do my first oil change when the oil life monitor tells me (which will probably be around 10,000 miles), or should my first oil change be sooner? I wasn't sure if the oil collects more particles during break in and would need a sooner first oil change.
Good question, tamedcowboy – We recommend that you follow your OEM’s requirements. In this case, Ford asks that you change your oil according to your oil life monitor OR at one year (whichever comes first). In addition, today’s engines and initial fill fluids are manufactured and designed to provide good protection as specified in your owner’s manual. Of course, there would not be a problem if you decided to change your oil/oil filter SOONER if you feel that is best for your particular vehicle/driving situation. Hope this info helps! - The Pennzoil Team
I have about 700 miles on my 2015 Ford Focus SE with the 2.0L Ti-VCT I-4 Flex Fuel (not the EcoBoost). Should I do my first oil change when the oil life monitor tells me (which will probably be around 10,000 miles), or should my first oil change be sooner? I wasn't sure if the oil collects more particles during break in and would need a sooner first oil change.
Good question, tamedcowboy – We recommend that you follow your OEM’s requirements. In this case, Ford asks that you change your oil according to your oil life monitor OR at one year (whichever comes first). In addition, today’s engines and initial fill fluids are manufactured and designed to provide good protection as specified in your owner’s manual. Of course, there would not be a problem if you decided to change your oil/oil filter SOONER if you feel that is best for your particular vehicle/driving situation. Hope this info helps! - The Pennzoil Team
99% of car owners follow the OLM. My buddy just sold his 2001 civic with 250k miles on it. Treated the thing like dirt. Never tracked OCI's, and I can guarantee you he didn't care less about dumping the factory fill early lol. I remember doing an oil change for him once when 1 whole liter came out of the sump.
I used to be of this mindset.... it's liberating to treat a car like a... well... car.
A friend of mind has a saying that has stuck in my head when I used to try to school him on the ways of oil... "treat it like a baby, it'll act like a baby".. I no longer treat my cars like appreciating assets.
I used to be of this mindset.... it's liberating to treat a car like a... well... car.
A friend of mind has a saying that has stuck in my head when I used to try to school him on the ways of oil... "treat it like a baby, it'll act like a baby".. I no longer treat my cars like appreciating assets.
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