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Originally Posted By: Spazdog

I love it in all of it's ultraslow glory! I might blow my new bike savings account on it.
If I can't have it, I want someone who will love it and care for it as much as I would to have it.



Do it! Save it from a vegoil bum or someone who will trash it. 178k is low and it looks clean.
 
Originally Posted By: CCS

This relates to another though I was kicking around.
Would it better to purchase a car like 2004 or 2005 Ford Focus or Chevy Cavalier because it's a few years newer compared to a 2001 Camry/Accord/etc ?


I'm not a fan of the SPI SOHC 2.0. Constant Vibration and Harshness Escort engine. Zetec is better. The Focus does handle fairly well.

If you don't mind doing a timing belt, there's the Neon. I prefer the Neon to the Focus.

You might be able to get an '04-'05 Kia Spectra. Mechanically, it's an Elantra. Cheaper interior, but it's an Elantra underneath.

I'm absolutely certain you can get a Daewoo-zuki Forenza. It's Holden based engine is underpowered and doesn't get very good gas mileage, but if you squint real hard, it kinda' looks a little like an '05 Subaru Impreza and I have seen several make it past 150,000 miles with minimal maintenance.
 
Originally Posted By: CCS


This relates to another though I was kicking around.
Would it better to purchase a car like 2004 or 2005 Ford Focus or Chevy Caviler because it's a few years newer compared to a 2001 Camry/Accord/etc ?


It depends upon the kind of use.

Someone that had an accord as a highway commuter, and is selling theirs with 150k miles of highway use and just one person in the car, would be my choice to a beat up focus that hauled three kids and groceries and only went a few blocks.

Highway cars over city cars in other words.

SO what you want is the youngest, well maintained (preferably dealer) highway car you can find.
 
I got my main driver, a '95 subie for 4k almost ten years ago and it's done well; avg maintenance under $500 a year; some years almost nothing to maintain but oil, and some year big expenses, like a set of tires+tie rods&alignment, or a t-belt, or a new clutch. I've found decent cars even in the range of 1k to 2k (but you do need to stick close to 1k in to bring them in good order).

When you buy used, just be aware of some of the big maintenance items and when they are due. The main ones i can think of are clutch and t belt.
 
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For that budget, I'd probably try to find a Chevy Prizm. It's a re-badged Corolla that usually sells for less. If you can find one with a 5-speed manual transmission, you'll be in great shape. Rust is an issue with some of these, but that will be apparent too. As with any car, try to find one with some maintenance history. You'll be less likely to get an oil burner that way.

A Focus wouldn't be a bad choice either. They seem to have been fairly reliable.
 
Originally Posted By: CCS
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
I'd go for a Crown Victoria or Grand Marquis. Comfortable, incredibly tough, and cheap to buy and maintain.

My mother would be thrilled. She always joked about replacing the family van with one of those when I was learning to drive in high school.


Your mother is smart. There is a reason cabbies run these tanks 500,000 miles! You can get one in decent shape for under $5K easily...one that is mechanically sound but looks a little rough or has high miles can be gotten for $2500 or so. I saw a loaded 2004 Vic LX with only 80K advertised for $4500 a few weeks ago.

Also, a Grand Marquis is much less of a cop-magnet than a Civic!
 
Originally Posted By: CCS
I don't know how to drive stick.
Find someone to teach you how. Doing so will be one of your greatest decisions ever.
 
A lot of good suggestions here on this thread...

...to add...

...the recommendation to buy by condition rather than by brand is good because in your budget range the car will be older with a lot of miles and how it was cared for is VERY important

...better brands cared for would be better than lesser brands abused; however, lesser brands cared for would be better than better brands neglected/abused.

...buying a stick is good because they are cheaper to buy and maintain than ATs...BUT BEWARE of cars that were "FUN TO RUN" like an Accord, because you don't know how much "fun" the last owner got/TOOK out of the car...Kitacam is a stick but a Camry owner is not a "fun" car...it is a cheap/boring car to own/run, the kind of car that a frugal owner is less likely to abuse...

...any car can look good but be neglected inside and under the hood where you can't see...look for maintenance records...beauty is much more than skin deep here.
 
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This car is in MA but asking $5k, One-owner with maintenance records (trans/coolant change). It has a GM 3800 series engine that's earned a reputation for reliability. Like someone posted before you can find cars sold to the older demographic (Buick), well maintained, and one-owner for and ideal price!
After a couple years you can sell this and upgrade as your financial situation changes (or drive it into the ground!)

fixed LONG link so others don't have to scroll left and right all day....
 
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Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Originally Posted By: Jarlaxle
I'd go for a Crown Victoria or Grand Marquis. Comfortable, incredibly tough, and cheap to buy and maintain.


I`d go for the Police Interceptor or Marauder versions
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For 4K bucks you can find a nice well maintained take home [03-07 depending on mileage and condition] P71 Police Interceptor..You can get service records for the most of them..Most are serviced better then a private car..A lot of guys in college end up buying those cars in my neck of the woods..Most pay around 3K bucks for them..A supervisor car is the best to get.

A know a few people who bought those cars and it worked out well for them..None of them had sludge and everything worked perfectly.

Get any used vehicle checked out thoroughly by a real good independent.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
Originally Posted By: Tdbo
Worry less about what kind of car and focus on the best car in the best condition you can find and afford.

4K is kind of a lean budget for a used car today, in most areas.



This is good advice.

OP - I think the way that you are keeping an open mind and smart on the budget is really great. Too many just get straddled with debt and then stuck with poor long term situations.

If youre graduating, youll be getting a job, and start thinking about your saving strategy... So keep in mind that there are some decent $4000 cars, though you may not want them long term... But just come up with a reasonable strategy and savings plan and go with it.

If I were you, Id plan on $1000 in repairs on a used vehicle just for who knows what... So Id look for something in the $3-3500 range, and then do what you need.

Id look for well maintained "old people" cars. Im not keen on crown vics or other giant, gas sucking cars, but Ill bet you can get a low cost, real decent Buick century, regal, olds intrigue, malibu, fusion, etc. Some of the smaller economy cars would be great too, but my impression is that many of those get beat up, unless they were owned by little old widows, in which case, they can be great deals too. I think thats where the best value will lie.


I think this is good advice. Keep at least a grand on hand for unexpected repairs. I wish I had done that getting out of college, instead I took a job and moved--and then found myself without wheels altogether, and had to make a rush decision. [But I wasn't in a position to do anything until after I had taken the job.]

One thing I'll say is a hatch beats a sedan. When I was single and in an apartment, yes, a sedan worked. Most of the time. Now though I'll only own a sedan as some sort of secondary car. Just easier to move large boxes or trashcans with a proper trunk. First apartment had curb pickup, second apartment I had to take the cans to the dump myself.

But finding said hatch (or better, station wagon) is a bit harder than the run of the mill sedan. Shame. At least sedans can get good fuel economy, or at least some get better than most CUV's.
 
Originally Posted By: CROWNVIC4LIFE
Get any used vehicle checked out thoroughly by a real good independent.


How does one go about doing that? Do you just ask to take the car out for a test drive that will last a day? I mean, I take my car to the shop for an inspection, and it usually takes a half day for that. Not only that, but the shop that I "trust" is in my town. Unlike any vehicle that I'd like to check out.

This is the problem I have with used car shopping: you spend an hour at least to drive to see the vehicle (if not more), then if you want an indepedant person to review it, they have to come with you. Or you have to figure out what local shop to trust. It's like a day's worth of work to be serious about it, per vehicle. Unless if you are savvy enough to know exactly what you are looking at. Or willing to take a chance and live with what you picked up.
 
Originally Posted By: supton
Originally Posted By: CROWNVIC4LIFE
Get any used vehicle checked out thoroughly by a real good independent.


How does one go about doing that? Do you just ask to take the car out for a test drive that will last a day? I mean, I take my car to the shop for an inspection, and it usually takes a half day for that. Not only that, but the shop that I "trust" is in my town. Unlike any vehicle that I'd like to check out.

This is the problem I have with used car shopping: you spend an hour at least to drive to see the vehicle (if not more), then if you want an indepedant person to review it, they have to come with you. Or you have to figure out what local shop to trust. It's like a day's worth of work to be serious about it, per vehicle. Unless if you are savvy enough to know exactly what you are looking at. Or willing to take a chance and live with what you picked up.


I never had a problem taking a car to a independent to have it checked out..Either by the dealer or private owner..All my cars were around 60 minutes or less away..I tell them I am very serious about buying the car and if all checks out I am buying it..For the most it took less then 3.5 hours..Most of the time the salesman [or private owner] comes with me but there were times the dealer let me take the car out on my own..If the dealer or private owner has a problem with that I walk..I have had to take time off from work to do this but is worth it in the long run.

You do not want to take a chance with a used car..Plus if I do not get service records it is definitely off the table.
 
I like the $4000 Civic from a private owner off CL.

Super cheap to keep on the road and it has 14 inch low cost tires, parts are dirt cheap, 40+ MPG,... etc.
 
"...buying a stick is good because they are cheaper to buy and maintain than ATs..." Kitacam

One thing to keep in mind is that an AT going out on you may be the end of your car. In many cases, they're simply too costly to fix/replace. Been there, done that.

Sure you might be able to buy a used AT and replace it yourself but I'll bet you wouldn't be comfortable doing that yourself.

In a low cost car you could end up having to pay for a clutch replacement but that would cost far less than a rebuilt AT. On the other hand I've been driving for almost 50 years and have only had to replace one clutch (the linkage broke at about 125,000 miles on my Volvo Turbo). Before buying you would need to make sure the manual transmission is in good shape and the clutch isn't on its last legs.

For run of the mill cars, MTs tend to perform a bit better, or at least give you a more engaged driving experience, and usually get better mileage too.

Ecotourist
 
Lots of good suggestions have been tossed out and here is my take:
1- Buy from a private seller.
2- Buy a one owner car.
3- Go to the sellers house to see the car.
4- If the house and yard are clean and well kept then chances are that he cares for his vehicles the same way.
5- Try to find an older seller that is frustrated with the trade in value of his vehicle.

I have used this method many times over the years and it has not failed me. I would even be inclined to overpay a little for a clean one owner car than get a questionable multi-owner car at a discount.

Good luck.
 
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
I like the $4000 Civic from a private owner off CL.

Super cheap to keep on the road and it has 14 inch low cost tires, parts are dirt cheap, 40+ MPG,... etc.


$4000 Civics around here come in about five flavors...
Totally rotted.
Beaten like rented mules.
300,000 miles.
Lowered with torched springs, hideous body kits, and 6" [censored]-cannons.
20 years old.

Come to think of it, a few are all five.
 
You can find nice Civics in the $4000 - $5000 range if you take some time and look around. That 2004 Civic looks to be what you are looking for.

For the $$$ a Civic is the best car for someone starting out that will give them years of trouble free service.
 
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