Fired NAVY Capt. possible reinstatement.

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He's technically not fired. He was reassigned. He is still an O-6, but him becoming a Flag Officer is basically DOA. If he was "fired" he'd be discharged from the Navy already.
 
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Fired does not mean discharged, but as you say reassigned, he's still on the island in quarantine, and yes he'll retire as an O-6.
 
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A Navy Captain does not get fired, they are relieved of duty. It is a black mark on his record. He will be given the command somewhere far away and not pleasant.
 

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Years back we were on a charter vessel near Halifax. The USS Theodore Roosevelt was there. Our Capt slowed down and said it was just beckoning the harbor master and we should come to the wheelhouse. The precise nature of the radio communication was impressive. Choppers picked up and did a short patrol. Then she hit the thrusters turning amazingly quick … and sailed away in no time flat.
 
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Like everybody says, * rolls downhill. It's unfortunate that he was relieved of command after nothing was done to help his crew. At least his crew gave him a true farewell.
 
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Many are confusing fired with separated. A commander can be fired, relieved from duty. That doesn't mean they are out of the Navy (or any service.) Fired means you lost your job assignment, relieved of command. But you are still employed. The commander is likely re-assigned to some administrative detachment as he must be accounted for. But as far as having a job, not so much.
 
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It's unfortunate he abandoned the chain of command protocol and leaked to the press that the Roosevelt had a problem! Friend and foe alike knew the Roosevelt might have been compromised thus leaving it vulnerable. Few commanders are popular for a reason. He should be busted down to E2 and relegated to peeling potatoes in a storage closet in the bowels of that great ship! 2cents
 
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Originally Posted by gman2304
It's unfortunate he abandoned the chain of command protocol and leaked to the press that the Roosevelt had a problem! Friend and foe alike knew the Roosevelt might have been compromised thus leaving it vulnerable. Few commanders are popular for a reason. He should be busted down to E2 and relegated to peeling potatoes in a storage closet in the bowels of that great ship! 2cents
An O6 cannot be reduced in rank to and E2. He's a commissioned officer approved by the Senate. Both the CO and the former Acting SECNAV acted on impulse and let their emotions get in their way.
 

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Originally Posted by gman2304
It's unfortunate he abandoned the chain of command protocol and leaked to the press that the Roosevelt had a problem! Friend and foe alike knew the Roosevelt might have been compromised thus leaving it vulnerable. Few commanders are popular for a reason. He should be busted down to E2 and relegated to peeling potatoes in a storage closet in the bowels of that great ship! 2cents
Command knew but they didn't do anything; it's another case of the DoD screwing it's own troops to save itself. The sailors cheered his name on good terms when he walked off the carrier - that in itself says enough about his leadership.
 
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Originally Posted by Pew
The sailors cheered his name on good terms when he walked off the carrier - that in itself says enough about his leadership.
Well said.
 
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Originally Posted by Pew
Originally Posted by gman2304
It's unfortunate he abandoned the chain of command protocol and leaked to the press that the Roosevelt had a problem! Friend and foe alike knew the Roosevelt might have been compromised thus leaving it vulnerable. Few commanders are popular for a reason. He should be busted down to E2 and relegated to peeling potatoes in a storage closet in the bowels of that great ship! 2cents
Command knew but they didn't do anything; it's another case of the DoD screwing it's own troops to save itself. The sailors cheered his name on good terms when he walked off the carrier - that in itself says enough about his leadership.
Exactly. The CO had certainly already gone through channels without result. He had to publicly shame the Navy into doing something. Our adversaries do have intelligence gathering capabilities and were certainly already aware that this carrier was not ready to fight.
 
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Originally Posted by fdcg27
Originally Posted by Pew
Originally Posted by gman2304
It's unfortunate he abandoned the chain of command protocol and leaked to the press that the Roosevelt had a problem! Friend and foe alike knew the Roosevelt might have been compromised thus leaving it vulnerable. Few commanders are popular for a reason. He should be busted down to E2 and relegated to peeling potatoes in a storage closet in the bowels of that great ship! 2cents
Command knew but they didn't do anything; it's another case of the DoD screwing it's own troops to save itself. The sailors cheered his name on good terms when he walked off the carrier - that in itself says enough about his leadership.
Exactly. The CO had certainly already gone through channels without result. He had to publicly shame the Navy into doing something. Our adversaries do have intelligence gathering capabilities and were certainly already aware that this carrier was not ready to fight.
When this story first broke out, it was stated the Navy Command did nothing but blow him off. That's when he wrote the letter. I now cannot find the story anywhere. Hmmm......... Then his "boss" flies to the carrier, at the cost of $230,000 of our tax dollars. Runs his mouth. Gets fired. He "resigned" they said. "Captain Crozier....Clap,Clap.....Clap,Clap,Clap" "Captain Crozier....Clap,Clap.....Clap,Clap,Clap" "Captain Crozier....Clap,Clap.....Clap,Clap,Clap" "Captain Crozier....Clap,Clap.....Clap,Clap,Clap"
 
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So, how did the ship come into contact with CO-VID virus? Some in my office are speculating when they stopped by Da Nang, that's where they got it, as many of the local workers are Chinese and went back to China for the New Year and brought back CO-VID. https://www.cpf.navy.mil/news.aspx/130563 Interestingly enough, there was also the USS Bunker Hill with the USS Teddy Roosevelt. So how come we haven't heard of anything regarding the USS Bunker Hill?
 

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Originally Posted by oldhp
Originally Posted by fdcg27
Originally Posted by Pew
Originally Posted by gman2304
It's unfortunate he abandoned the chain of command protocol and leaked to the press that the Roosevelt had a problem! Friend and foe alike knew the Roosevelt might have been compromised thus leaving it vulnerable. Few commanders are popular for a reason. He should be busted down to E2 and relegated to peeling potatoes in a storage closet in the bowels of that great ship! 2cents
Command knew but they didn't do anything; it's another case of the DoD screwing it's own troops to save itself. The sailors cheered his name on good terms when he walked off the carrier - that in itself says enough about his leadership.
Exactly. The CO had certainly already gone through channels without result. He had to publicly shame the Navy into doing something. Our adversaries do have intelligence gathering capabilities and were certainly already aware that this carrier was not ready to fight.
When this story first broke out, it was stated the Navy Command did nothing but blow him off. That's when he wrote the letter. I now cannot find the story anywhere. Hmmm......... Then his "boss" flies to the carrier, at the cost of $230,000 of our tax dollars. Runs his mouth. Gets fired. He "resigned" they said. "Captain Crozier....Clap,Clap.....Clap,Clap,Clap" "Captain Crozier....Clap,Clap.....Clap,Clap,Clap" "Captain Crozier....Clap,Clap.....Clap,Clap,Clap" "Captain Crozier....Clap,Clap.....Clap,Clap,Clap"
You've followed the popular narrative, which is simply filled with things that are not true. The CO's decision to make the liberty port call in Vietnam is questionable, but left his crew exposed. That's not why he was fired. He asked for help, via proper channels, and was directed to Guam where, and this is critical, the Navy, was preparing to support the ship. He had asked for help and was in the process of getting it. Then, he sends the e-mail, unclassified, and it's leaked to his home-town newspaper. This is the key point: his e-mail stated untrue things, discussed classified information, and bypassed his chain of command. Any one of those three is simply unacceptable in a CO. One of those three should subject him to time in prison. The other two aren't as bad, but are still grounds for removing him from the job. The CARGRU Commander had an office about 30 feet down the passageway from the CO. So, no excuse, none, for cutting the CARGRU out of the communication. The crew of the ship got the leaked e-mail, and believed their CO was standing up for them when Big Navy had abandoned them. They, too, got the false narrative. Just like the press. Big Navy had a relief operation in work, and was responding as fast as they could. So, sure the sailors gave him a hero's send-off. They thought he was a hero, based on an e-mail that was leaked. But that e-mail violated laws, was in poor judgement, and looks a lot like political grandstanding. I'm no fan of the Acting SECNAV, who was properly relieved for his behaviour as well, but Captain Crozier should have been relieved of command. I would have no confidence in a commander who leaks information, ignores orders, ignores his chain of command, and distorts the situation for his own personal motives.
 
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The proper person got fired, yet another incompetent appointee who was stupid for saying stupid. Little surprised if the Captain makes it back.
 
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There is a systemic problem with far east command case in point being the two collisions in recent years and these two officers acting in conduct unbecoming. Yes the afore mentioned collisions have nothing to do with the most recent incidents other than lapses in judgement. Problems in military management cause the DoD in Washington to doubt readiness.
 
Astro, well said. Seems this is only truly understood by those who have had to trust their lives to the chain of command working, both below and above your paygrade. "Loose lips sink ships" does not just apply to enlisted.
 
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