Finally! Morrison speed camera is destroyed/vandalized

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Absolute speed trap that became for some time national news. Speed limit was 25mph in an area where 45mph might be slow.
In article one can sense that revenue is the point, safety is secondary.
I knew about this camera and was careful when in that area. But Morrison is where Red Rocks Amphitheater is, and it is absolutely packed with tourists.
https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/morrison-removes-vandalized-speed-camera/
 
Good riddance!

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I am in the camp of thinking that speed traps and cameras are a revenue generator for a municipality. The fines that are incurred within either should be highly scrutinized, and perhaps abolished. I love the ones that are at the bottom of a large decline, from 70 to 35, try doing that with a 15k trailer.

I got sent a ticket a good while back for one of my work trucks, as the license plate was registered to me, but I was not driving. I called the number on the ticket and told them it was not me......they asked me who it was........I told them that was for them to figure out as they were the accusers.

They deleted the ticket.

I say, we own the cameras, and if we done want them......well it seems that some agree with me at least on this one. I wish more examples of this were around.
 
edyvw said:
Absolute speed trap that became for some time national news. Speed limit was 25mph in an area where 45mph might be slow.
In article one can sense that revenue is the point, safety is secondary.
I knew about this camera and was careful when in that area. But Morrison is where Red Rocks Amphitheater is, and it is absolutely packed with tourists.
https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/morrison-removes-vandalized-speed-camera/
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Well a population of less than 400 people I guess they need to raise revenue somehow.
 
The way Colorado (or at least Denver and it's suburbs) is run these days, I'm surprised they didn't have the camera down on (former) Bandimere Speedway. Think of the revenue generation from cars going over 330 mph...
 
OAKVILLE IA. has a warning sign as you come into the town of ~ 500 souls,
that states something like"We love our town and people" Speeds are being monitored. I love it. Ed
 
edyvw said:
Absolute speed trap that became for some time national news. Speed limit was 25mph in an area where 45mph might be slow.
In article one can sense that revenue is the point, safety is secondary.
I knew about this camera and was careful when in that area. But Morrison is where Red Rocks Amphitheater is, and it is absolutely packed with tourists.
https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/morrison-removes-vandalized-speed-camera/
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The way speed limits are supposed to be set except in restricted areas like schools is by taking an average of the overall speed and using that number to set a limit. That must not be done much of anywhere nowadays, because there's plenty of areas that are 25mph when they should be 45mph and I've seen a lot here at 55mph that should be at least 65mph.

Like others have mentioned, I bet it's just good revenue.
 
With the camera and limit signed well, and the tickets are only given for 10+ over, so I don't mind a little town making some money on speeders. In the little towns near me, it would be a good thing to enforce the speed limits.
 
Speed cameras are a great tool. Too many people think they are too important to observe the limits and cameras are an effective way to get people to slow down.. Don't speed and you have nothing to worry about.
 
Years ago, Car and Driver magazine had a good article about the notorious speed trap in Linndale, Ohio, where apparently I-71 goes through about 1/4-mile of that town. They used to run radar on the highway, and they'd pull over speeders, insist they pay up on the spot (in cash of course) and if they couldn't pay, they'd haul them downtown to face the judge. Fines would be negotiated on the spot and of course the courthouse had a cash machine right there in the building. I've since read that the live radar was replaced by speed cameras, and they would mail out tickets instead. People who tried to fight the tickets would have to attend a kangaroo court and eventually fines would be reduced depending on how sorry you were, or weren't.

Makes me wonder if that is all still going on?
 
Vandalism to other's property is wrong, even taxpayer's property. It's simply poor moral values.

Where is this camera/25mph zone at in relationship to downtown? Nearly all of Michigan small towns have well-signed reduced 25mph speed limits within a half to one mile before town.

If this is truly a 45mph zone area, then yes, 25mph is a speed trap. It's tough to read the article with references to this being a revenue generator.
 
IndyIan said:
With the camera and limit signed well, and the tickets are only given for 10+ over, so I don't mind a little town making some money on speeders. In the little towns near me, it would be a good thing to enforce the speed limits.
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Some money?

Over 5,000 citations/month. $40 citations. $200,000 in gross receipts every month.

It was BIG money for a little town.

And the camera was set up to catch people as they left town, not as they entered.

So, if this camera was about safety, wouldn’t they have it set up to catch speeders as traffic entered town to get people to slow for all the pedestrians in the downtown area?
 
These things are all over the place... there's one around the gorge in ga that people have noticed seems to always see 67 mph... weird isn't that.

Typically the whole thing is farmed out to an operation like flock, atn, g4s or RSS and the town needs to do anywhere from nothing to get a few retired leos to sign tickets and collect their split of the spoils.

I maintain traffic enforcement is almost entirely about revenue and not safety. If it was about safety there would be no black cars with black reflective letters and hidden lights, All the police cars would be bright pink with neon markings... JMO.

Don't even get me started on ASP and GSP.
 
Astro14 said:
Some money?

Over 5,000 citations/month. $40 citations. $200,000 in gross receipts every month.

It was BIG money for a little town.

And the camera was set up to catch people as they left town, not as they entered.

So, if this camera was about safety, wouldn’t they have it set up to catch speeders as traffic entered town to get people to slow for all the pedestrians in the downtown area?
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I don't know the details of how it was implemented, I thought the news report said one was mobile? It seemed the people in the town thought whatever they were doing was working pretty good. I still like principle, 10 over is lots of leaway and if you get a ticket, either your not paying attention, or don't care about $40.
The town should do what's good for the towns people, if folks passing through can't respect a reasonable speed then they get a gentle reminder in the mail. I think this is the only practical way to enforce a speed limit for a small town with big city traffic moving through it?
 
If the municipality wants to increase safety, then a radar speed sign is one of the best ways to do it. Apparently they cost around $10,000. Maybe parking a retired police cruiser along the road might help as well.

https://www.photonplay.com/blog/how-effective-are-radar-speed-signs

https://www.nhtsa.gov/book/counterm...ther-strategies-behavior-change/dynamic-speed

AI Summary:
"Radar signs, also known as speed feedback signs, are devices that display a driver's current speed and may include additional messages like "Slow Down." These signs can be portable or permanently installed and are often used in work zones, school zones, and areas with high crash rates.

Effectiveness:

  • Short-term: Studies have shown that radar signs can effectively reduce speeds, especially when combined with other measures like law enforcement presence or reduced speed limits.
  • Long-term: The effectiveness of radar signs diminishes over time, and speeds tend to return to pre-installation levels, particularly after the signs are removed.
  • Location: Radar signs are most effective in areas where drivers perceive a need to slow down, such as school zones, work zones, and curves.
Overall, radar signs can be a useful tool for improving safety, but their effectiveness is dependent on various factors, including location, enforcement presence, and the specific design of the sign. It's important to consider these factors when deciding whether to implement radar signs in a particular area."
 
IndyIan said:
With the camera and limit signed well, and the tickets are only given for 10+ over, so I don't mind a little town making some money on speeders. In the little towns near me, it would be a good thing to enforce the speed limits.
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Problem is that speed limit is set at 25mph not higher as it should be. Speed limits are not set by making it up.
Also, little or big town, they are not business! Towns/cities are service. Safety is priority and prevention is always priority over citation.
 
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