Now from him breaking Board Rule 5, I think I may have broken it too as a result.
filter paranoia
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Originally Posted By: mjoekingz28
I see ZeeOSix is still badmouthing Purolators.
Too bad, because I really like some C5 Z06s.
It's not "badmouthing" Purolators ... it's showing recorded data of things that have been reported here by many members. Could be useful to the new guys showing up if they don't know what went on with the Purolator issue. Can't handle the truth?
Now you badmouthing me is badmouthing and breaking "board rule #5".
I see ZeeOSix is still badmouthing Purolators.
Too bad, because I really like some C5 Z06s.
It's not "badmouthing" Purolators ... it's showing recorded data of things that have been reported here by many members. Could be useful to the new guys showing up if they don't know what went on with the Purolator issue. Can't handle the truth?
Now you badmouthing me is badmouthing and breaking "board rule #5".
That Hyundai filter looks decent.
As far as cardboard end caps go those things are welded on.
I use tough guards for 20000 miles in my known clean engines. When I dissect the filters the end caps are still glued so well that I cannot separate them from the media and if I don't cut the end caps loose they come off on chunks.
I like to stretch out the media to see the agglomerated particulate the filter caught who necessitates end cap removal.
Before buying tough guards I used wix however I got tired of the price and I found Canadian tire had their rebranded tough guards on sale so I bought 5 of each for my charger and truck.
So the end cap issue isn't one. If there was any chance of them failing they would at the mileage I use them for and its glaringly obvious to me that even at 20000 miles I could run them for longer.
I do not suggest running a filter as I do unless you know for certain your engine is clean.
And I am a fanboy. A fan boy of money. My money. And keeping it in my pocket.
Just sayin.
As far as cardboard end caps go those things are welded on.
I use tough guards for 20000 miles in my known clean engines. When I dissect the filters the end caps are still glued so well that I cannot separate them from the media and if I don't cut the end caps loose they come off on chunks.
I like to stretch out the media to see the agglomerated particulate the filter caught who necessitates end cap removal.
Before buying tough guards I used wix however I got tired of the price and I found Canadian tire had their rebranded tough guards on sale so I bought 5 of each for my charger and truck.
So the end cap issue isn't one. If there was any chance of them failing they would at the mileage I use them for and its glaringly obvious to me that even at 20000 miles I could run them for longer.
I do not suggest running a filter as I do unless you know for certain your engine is clean.
And I am a fanboy. A fan boy of money. My money. And keeping it in my pocket.
Just sayin.
Originally Posted By: Clevy
That Hyundai filter looks decent.
As far as cardboard end caps go those things are welded on.
I use tough guards for 20000 miles in my known clean engines. When I dissect the filters the end caps are still glued so well that I cannot separate them from the media and if I don't cut the end caps loose they come off on chunks.
I like to stretch out the media to see the agglomerated particulate the filter caught who necessitates end cap removal.
Before buying tough guards I used wix however I got tired of the price and I found Canadian tire had their rebranded tough guards on sale so I bought 5 of each for my charger and truck.
So the end cap issue isn't one. If there was any chance of them failing they would at the mileage I use them for and its glaringly obvious to me that even at 20000 miles I could run them for longer.
I do not suggest running a filter as I do unless you know for certain your engine is clean.
And I am a fanboy. A fan boy of money. My money. And keeping it in my pocket.
Just sayin.
well said
That Hyundai filter looks decent.
As far as cardboard end caps go those things are welded on.
I use tough guards for 20000 miles in my known clean engines. When I dissect the filters the end caps are still glued so well that I cannot separate them from the media and if I don't cut the end caps loose they come off on chunks.
I like to stretch out the media to see the agglomerated particulate the filter caught who necessitates end cap removal.
Before buying tough guards I used wix however I got tired of the price and I found Canadian tire had their rebranded tough guards on sale so I bought 5 of each for my charger and truck.
So the end cap issue isn't one. If there was any chance of them failing they would at the mileage I use them for and its glaringly obvious to me that even at 20000 miles I could run them for longer.
I do not suggest running a filter as I do unless you know for certain your engine is clean.
And I am a fanboy. A fan boy of money. My money. And keeping it in my pocket.
Just sayin.
well said
I still run Purolator Classics, Fram Extra Guards, and Fram HM filters and will continue to use my stash of these filters.
IMHO.....The Fram HM oil filter is superb and is overlooked by many people.
IMHO.....The Fram HM oil filter is superb and is overlooked by many people.
Originally Posted By: Clevy
That Hyundai filter looks decent.
As far as cardboard end caps go those things are welded on.
I use tough guards for 20000 miles in my known clean engines. When I dissect the filters the end caps are still glued so well that I cannot separate them from the media and if I don't cut the end caps loose they come off on chunks.
I like to stretch out the media to see the agglomerated particulate the filter caught who necessitates end cap removal.
Before buying tough guards I used wix however I got tired of the price and I found Canadian tire had their rebranded tough guards on sale so I bought 5 of each for my charger and truck.
So the end cap issue isn't one. If there was any chance of them failing they would at the mileage I use them for and its glaringly obvious to me that even at 20000 miles I could run them for longer.
I do not suggest running a filter as I do unless you know for certain your engine is clean.
And I am a fanboy. A fan boy of money. My money. And keeping it in my pocket.
Just sayin.
Me too, I just spent about $15 to drive 300 miles at $2.63/gal. That's $300 for gas in 6K miles. I usually can do a little better. How about you. I spend between $3-5 for premium filters like Denso and Ultra, changed without fail each oil change to get a new clean filter same as they use for the efficiency tests. If I changed filters half as much I would save about $3-5 in 6K miles, 6-10 postage stamps or a cup or two of starbucks.
That Hyundai filter looks decent.
As far as cardboard end caps go those things are welded on.
I use tough guards for 20000 miles in my known clean engines. When I dissect the filters the end caps are still glued so well that I cannot separate them from the media and if I don't cut the end caps loose they come off on chunks.
I like to stretch out the media to see the agglomerated particulate the filter caught who necessitates end cap removal.
Before buying tough guards I used wix however I got tired of the price and I found Canadian tire had their rebranded tough guards on sale so I bought 5 of each for my charger and truck.
So the end cap issue isn't one. If there was any chance of them failing they would at the mileage I use them for and its glaringly obvious to me that even at 20000 miles I could run them for longer.
I do not suggest running a filter as I do unless you know for certain your engine is clean.
And I am a fanboy. A fan boy of money. My money. And keeping it in my pocket.
Just sayin.
Me too, I just spent about $15 to drive 300 miles at $2.63/gal. That's $300 for gas in 6K miles. I usually can do a little better. How about you. I spend between $3-5 for premium filters like Denso and Ultra, changed without fail each oil change to get a new clean filter same as they use for the efficiency tests. If I changed filters half as much I would save about $3-5 in 6K miles, 6-10 postage stamps or a cup or two of starbucks.
Originally Posted By: gallydif
At 500k you're going to start worrying about Purolator Classics? The classics have carried your car to 500k. Keep doing what you're doing. They're good filters. Most of people that complain about them are fram fanboys that are mad that most of their filters have cardboard as end caps
And if you still want to swtich, Napa Silvers are in the same price range as them and are very good as well.
Fram ultras are not cardboard even if that mattered.
Tearolators do not have any support here last time I checked.
At 500k you're going to start worrying about Purolator Classics? The classics have carried your car to 500k. Keep doing what you're doing. They're good filters. Most of people that complain about them are fram fanboys that are mad that most of their filters have cardboard as end caps
Fram ultras are not cardboard even if that mattered.
Tearolators do not have any support here last time I checked.
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Originally Posted By: goodtimes
Originally Posted By: Clevy
That Hyundai filter looks decent.
As far as cardboard end caps go those things are welded on.
I use tough guards for 20000 miles in my known clean engines. When I dissect the filters the end caps are still glued so well that I cannot separate them from the media and if I don't cut the end caps loose they come off on chunks.
I like to stretch out the media to see the agglomerated particulate the filter caught who necessitates end cap removal.
Before buying tough guards I used wix however I got tired of the price and I found Canadian tire had their rebranded tough guards on sale so I bought 5 of each for my charger and truck.
So the end cap issue isn't one. If there was any chance of them failing they would at the mileage I use them for and its glaringly obvious to me that even at 20000 miles I could run them for longer.
I do not suggest running a filter as I do unless you know for certain your engine is clean.
And I am a fanboy. A fan boy of money. My money. And keeping it in my pocket.
Just sayin.
Me too, I just spent about $15 to drive 300 miles at $2.63/gal. That's $300 for gas in 6K miles. I usually can do a little better. How about you. I spend between $3-5 for premium filters like Denso and Ultra, changed without fail each oil change to get a new clean filter same as they use for the efficiency tests. If I changed filters half as much I would save about $3-5 in 6K miles, 6-10 postage stamps or a cup or two of starbucks.
Well considering gas is double here.as well as everything else I don't think I can compare.
My point was I don't spend money I don't have to. Filters for example. You use 4 to my 1. That's 20 bucks more in my pocket and since a filter gets better as the media loads you've effectively paid more to become less efficient. It might be a small difference but it's still a difference.
I walk to get most things from a store,or my Harley. It gets 50mpg. I drive my truck when I have to,my charger is a guilty pleasure and is a fair weather ride or if I've gotta cart my kids around. I don't drive it in the winter anymore.
I see the point your trying to make and that's fine. It's your money. My point is that you are using more of a product with some dream that it's better when the reality is it isn't.
If a filter can be used for 20000 miles and you change it at 5000 miles you pay more. Then because the filter is new it doesn't trap the smaller particulate so it passes right thru.
I've learned that the particulate that does the most damage is under 20 micron. A fram ultra cannot trap those particles until the media loads up,then those finer particles are more likely to be stopped. A new filter just lets them thru.
This site is for those who want to learn stuff and I've learned a lot by trying things because I listened to guys who know. Many myths out there.
So you go right ahead and do what your doing. I don't care how you spend your money. I care about mine.
We like to show that commonly held beliefs like the 3000 mile oil change interval are nonsense. The same goes for filters.
All I'm saying is that just because some things are commonly practiced doesn't equate to better. In my case better is my money in my pocket without a compromise. In my case the longer intervals compromise nothing. In fact the filtration is better my way.
You do whatever you like. No one is forcing you to do anything,but your only fooling yourself if you think your doing something superior that will equate to extending useable engine life.
When your car heads to the wrecker I'm sure the engine will run just fine,as will mine,however mine will have cost me less to get there.
I've got work vans pushing 400000 on the odo doing things my way. Service cost per unit over the life of the unit is low and I sacrifice nothing. Certainly not shorter engine life. And less expense for equal performance is smart business.
Do what you like. I am merely expressing that money can be saved by running decent filters longer on known clean engines.
All of my vehicles get higher than advertised mileage,all are high mile and run beautifully and I spent less to achieve this.
I could have spent more on various items but why when it's not required and there isn't a downside.
Originally Posted By: Clevy
That Hyundai filter looks decent.
As far as cardboard end caps go those things are welded on.
I use tough guards for 20000 miles in my known clean engines. When I dissect the filters the end caps are still glued so well that I cannot separate them from the media and if I don't cut the end caps loose they come off on chunks.
I like to stretch out the media to see the agglomerated particulate the filter caught who necessitates end cap removal.
Before buying tough guards I used wix however I got tired of the price and I found Canadian tire had their rebranded tough guards on sale so I bought 5 of each for my charger and truck.
So the end cap issue isn't one. If there was any chance of them failing they would at the mileage I use them for and its glaringly obvious to me that even at 20000 miles I could run them for longer.
I do not suggest running a filter as I do unless you know for certain your engine is clean.
And I am a fanboy. A fan boy of money. My money. And keeping it in my pocket.
Just sayin.
Me too, I just spent about $15 to drive 300 miles at $2.63/gal. That's $300 for gas in 6K miles. I usually can do a little better. How about you. I spend between $3-5 for premium filters like Denso and Ultra, changed without fail each oil change to get a new clean filter same as they use for the efficiency tests. If I changed filters half as much I would save about $3-5 in 6K miles, 6-10 postage stamps or a cup or two of starbucks.
Well considering gas is double here.as well as everything else I don't think I can compare.
My point was I don't spend money I don't have to. Filters for example. You use 4 to my 1. That's 20 bucks more in my pocket and since a filter gets better as the media loads you've effectively paid more to become less efficient. It might be a small difference but it's still a difference.
I walk to get most things from a store,or my Harley. It gets 50mpg. I drive my truck when I have to,my charger is a guilty pleasure and is a fair weather ride or if I've gotta cart my kids around. I don't drive it in the winter anymore.
I see the point your trying to make and that's fine. It's your money. My point is that you are using more of a product with some dream that it's better when the reality is it isn't.
If a filter can be used for 20000 miles and you change it at 5000 miles you pay more. Then because the filter is new it doesn't trap the smaller particulate so it passes right thru.
I've learned that the particulate that does the most damage is under 20 micron. A fram ultra cannot trap those particles until the media loads up,then those finer particles are more likely to be stopped. A new filter just lets them thru.
This site is for those who want to learn stuff and I've learned a lot by trying things because I listened to guys who know. Many myths out there.
So you go right ahead and do what your doing. I don't care how you spend your money. I care about mine.
We like to show that commonly held beliefs like the 3000 mile oil change interval are nonsense. The same goes for filters.
All I'm saying is that just because some things are commonly practiced doesn't equate to better. In my case better is my money in my pocket without a compromise. In my case the longer intervals compromise nothing. In fact the filtration is better my way.
You do whatever you like. No one is forcing you to do anything,but your only fooling yourself if you think your doing something superior that will equate to extending useable engine life.
When your car heads to the wrecker I'm sure the engine will run just fine,as will mine,however mine will have cost me less to get there.
I've got work vans pushing 400000 on the odo doing things my way. Service cost per unit over the life of the unit is low and I sacrifice nothing. Certainly not shorter engine life. And less expense for equal performance is smart business.
Do what you like. I am merely expressing that money can be saved by running decent filters longer on known clean engines.
All of my vehicles get higher than advertised mileage,all are high mile and run beautifully and I spent less to achieve this.
I could have spent more on various items but why when it's not required and there isn't a downside.
Buy a Fram Ultra an run two OCIs on it. That way you're paying the same price as a Purolator and ending up with a better filter.
And Clevy makes a very wise decision when it comes to Canadian pricing. He's getting even more out of his money they you see at first glance. Most filters tend to have different prices depending upon application, including Fram orange cans at Canadian Tire. The Fram Ultra is a bit more money, but the price is the same across the line (with a couple exceptions), and it isn't double the cost of the orange can. So, he's getting his mileage out of the filter, plus choosing one of the more cost effective options in the Canadian filter market.
Clevy: For comparison, my best price on the Fram grey can from one of my suppliers, the shorter version of the FL1A is around $8. My best price on the Wix 51515 is $4.99. So, we get screwed on Fram all the way up until the Ultra is on special.
Clevy: For comparison, my best price on the Fram grey can from one of my suppliers, the shorter version of the FL1A is around $8. My best price on the Wix 51515 is $4.99. So, we get screwed on Fram all the way up until the Ultra is on special.
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: goodtimes
Originally Posted By: Clevy
That Hyundai filter looks decent.
As far as cardboard end caps go those things are welded on.
I use tough guards for 20000 miles in my known clean engines. When I dissect the filters the end caps are still glued so well that I cannot separate them from the media and if I don't cut the end caps loose they come off on chunks.
I like to stretch out the media to see the agglomerated particulate the filter caught who necessitates end cap removal.
Before buying tough guards I used wix however I got tired of the price and I found Canadian tire had their rebranded tough guards on sale so I bought 5 of each for my charger and truck.
So the end cap issue isn't one. If there was any chance of them failing they would at the mileage I use them for and its glaringly obvious to me that even at 20000 miles I could run them for longer.
I do not suggest running a filter as I do unless you know for certain your engine is clean.
And I am a fanboy. A fan boy of money. My money. And keeping it in my pocket.
Just sayin.
Me too, I just spent about $15 to drive 300 miles at $2.63/gal. That's $300 for gas in 6K miles. I usually can do a little better. How about you. I spend between $3-5 for premium filters like Denso and Ultra, changed without fail each oil change to get a new clean filter same as they use for the efficiency tests. If I changed filters half as much I would save about $3-5 in 6K miles, 6-10 postage stamps or a cup or two of starbucks.
Well considering gas is double here.as well as everything else I don't think I can compare.
My point was I don't spend money I don't have to. Filters for example. You use 4 to my 1. That's 20 bucks more in my pocket and since a filter gets better as the media loads you've effectively paid more to become less efficient. It might be a small difference but it's still a difference.
I walk to get most things from a store,or my Harley. It gets 50mpg. I drive my truck when I have to,my charger is a guilty pleasure and is a fair weather ride or if I've gotta cart my kids around. I don't drive it in the winter anymore.
I see the point your trying to make and that's fine. It's your money. My point is that you are using more of a product with some dream that it's better when the reality is it isn't.
If a filter can be used for 20000 miles and you change it at 5000 miles you pay more. Then because the filter is new it doesn't trap the smaller particulate so it passes right thru.
I've learned that the particulate that does the most damage is under 20 micron. A fram ultra cannot trap those particles until the media loads up,then those finer particles are more likely to be stopped. A new filter just lets them thru.
This site is for those who want to learn stuff and I've learned a lot by trying things because I listened to guys who know. Many myths out there.
So you go right ahead and do what your doing. I don't care how you spend your money. I care about mine.
We like to show that commonly held beliefs like the 3000 mile oil change interval are nonsense. The same goes for filters.
All I'm saying is that just because some things are commonly practiced doesn't equate to better. In my case better is my money in my pocket without a compromise. In my case the longer intervals compromise nothing. In fact the filtration is better my way.
You do whatever you like. No one is forcing you to do anything,but your only fooling yourself if you think your doing something superior that will equate to extending useable engine life.
When your car heads to the wrecker I'm sure the engine will run just fine,as will mine,however mine will have cost me less to get there.
I've got work vans pushing 400000 on the odo doing things my way. Service cost per unit over the life of the unit is low and I sacrifice nothing. Certainly not shorter engine life. And less expense for equal performance is smart business.
Do what you like. I am merely expressing that money can be saved by running decent filters longer on known clean engines.
All of my vehicles get higher than advertised mileage,all are high mile and run beautifully and I spent less to achieve this.
I could have spent more on various items but why when it's not required and there isn't a downside.
I respect your opinions, but can disagree. I just don't see savings for myself, $5 every ten months isn't anything. My point was there are lots of other things we all waste a lot more money on. I don't agree with your opinion oil filters get better as they load up, because you have no facts to show it. Or that the small pores stay open while the large close up. Sounds wrong. I want a new filter to increase the chances oil is flowing through the filter element not through the bypass hole. Yes people come here to learn, that's why it is good to listen to the contrary opinions.
Originally Posted By: goodtimes
Originally Posted By: Clevy
That Hyundai filter looks decent.
As far as cardboard end caps go those things are welded on.
I use tough guards for 20000 miles in my known clean engines. When I dissect the filters the end caps are still glued so well that I cannot separate them from the media and if I don't cut the end caps loose they come off on chunks.
I like to stretch out the media to see the agglomerated particulate the filter caught who necessitates end cap removal.
Before buying tough guards I used wix however I got tired of the price and I found Canadian tire had their rebranded tough guards on sale so I bought 5 of each for my charger and truck.
So the end cap issue isn't one. If there was any chance of them failing they would at the mileage I use them for and its glaringly obvious to me that even at 20000 miles I could run them for longer.
I do not suggest running a filter as I do unless you know for certain your engine is clean.
And I am a fanboy. A fan boy of money. My money. And keeping it in my pocket.
Just sayin.
Me too, I just spent about $15 to drive 300 miles at $2.63/gal. That's $300 for gas in 6K miles. I usually can do a little better. How about you. I spend between $3-5 for premium filters like Denso and Ultra, changed without fail each oil change to get a new clean filter same as they use for the efficiency tests. If I changed filters half as much I would save about $3-5 in 6K miles, 6-10 postage stamps or a cup or two of starbucks.
Well considering gas is double here.as well as everything else I don't think I can compare.
My point was I don't spend money I don't have to. Filters for example. You use 4 to my 1. That's 20 bucks more in my pocket and since a filter gets better as the media loads you've effectively paid more to become less efficient. It might be a small difference but it's still a difference.
I walk to get most things from a store,or my Harley. It gets 50mpg. I drive my truck when I have to,my charger is a guilty pleasure and is a fair weather ride or if I've gotta cart my kids around. I don't drive it in the winter anymore.
I see the point your trying to make and that's fine. It's your money. My point is that you are using more of a product with some dream that it's better when the reality is it isn't.
If a filter can be used for 20000 miles and you change it at 5000 miles you pay more. Then because the filter is new it doesn't trap the smaller particulate so it passes right thru.
I've learned that the particulate that does the most damage is under 20 micron. A fram ultra cannot trap those particles until the media loads up,then those finer particles are more likely to be stopped. A new filter just lets them thru.
This site is for those who want to learn stuff and I've learned a lot by trying things because I listened to guys who know. Many myths out there.
So you go right ahead and do what your doing. I don't care how you spend your money. I care about mine.
We like to show that commonly held beliefs like the 3000 mile oil change interval are nonsense. The same goes for filters.
All I'm saying is that just because some things are commonly practiced doesn't equate to better. In my case better is my money in my pocket without a compromise. In my case the longer intervals compromise nothing. In fact the filtration is better my way.
You do whatever you like. No one is forcing you to do anything,but your only fooling yourself if you think your doing something superior that will equate to extending useable engine life.
When your car heads to the wrecker I'm sure the engine will run just fine,as will mine,however mine will have cost me less to get there.
I've got work vans pushing 400000 on the odo doing things my way. Service cost per unit over the life of the unit is low and I sacrifice nothing. Certainly not shorter engine life. And less expense for equal performance is smart business.
Do what you like. I am merely expressing that money can be saved by running decent filters longer on known clean engines.
All of my vehicles get higher than advertised mileage,all are high mile and run beautifully and I spent less to achieve this.
I could have spent more on various items but why when it's not required and there isn't a downside.
I respect your opinions, but can disagree. I just don't see savings for myself, $5 every ten months isn't anything. My point was there are lots of other things we all waste a lot more money on. I don't agree with your opinion oil filters get better as they load up, because you have no facts to show it. Or that the small pores stay open while the large close up. Sounds wrong. I want a new filter to increase the chances oil is flowing through the filter element not through the bypass hole. Yes people come here to learn, that's why it is good to listen to the contrary opinions.
Originally Posted By: goodtimes
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: goodtimes
Originally Posted By: Clevy
That Hyundai filter looks decent.
As far as cardboard end caps go those things are welded on.
I use tough guards for 20000 miles in my known clean engines. When I dissect the filters the end caps are still glued so well that I cannot separate them from the media and if I don't cut the end caps loose they come off on chunks.
I like to stretch out the media to see the agglomerated particulate the filter caught who necessitates end cap removal.
Before buying tough guards I used wix however I got tired of the price and I found Canadian tire had their rebranded tough guards on sale so I bought 5 of each for my charger and truck.
So the end cap issue isn't one. If there was any chance of them failing they would at the mileage I use them for and its glaringly obvious to me that even at 20000 miles I could run them for longer.
I do not suggest running a filter as I do unless you know for certain your engine is clean.
And I am a fanboy. A fan boy of money. My money. And keeping it in my pocket.
Just sayin.
Me too, I just spent about $15 to drive 300 miles at $2.63/gal. That's $300 for gas in 6K miles. I usually can do a little better. How about you. I spend between $3-5 for premium filters like Denso and Ultra, changed without fail each oil change to get a new clean filter same as they use for the efficiency tests. If I changed filters half as much I would save about $3-5 in 6K miles, 6-10 postage stamps or a cup or two of starbucks.
Well considering gas is double here.as well as everything else I don't think I can compare.
My point was I don't spend money I don't have to. Filters for example. You use 4 to my 1. That's 20 bucks more in my pocket and since a filter gets better as the media loads you've effectively paid more to become less efficient. It might be a small difference but it's still a difference.
I walk to get most things from a store,or my Harley. It gets 50mpg. I drive my truck when I have to,my charger is a guilty pleasure and is a fair weather ride or if I've gotta cart my kids around. I don't drive it in the winter anymore.
I see the point your trying to make and that's fine. It's your money. My point is that you are using more of a product with some dream that it's better when the reality is it isn't.
If a filter can be used for 20000 miles and you change it at 5000 miles you pay more. Then because the filter is new it doesn't trap the smaller particulate so it passes right thru.
I've learned that the particulate that does the most damage is under 20 micron. A fram ultra cannot trap those particles until the media loads up,then those finer particles are more likely to be stopped. A new filter just lets them thru.
This site is for those who want to learn stuff and I've learned a lot by trying things because I listened to guys who know. Many myths out there.
So you go right ahead and do what your doing. I don't care how you spend your money. I care about mine.
We like to show that commonly held beliefs like the 3000 mile oil change interval are nonsense. The same goes for filters.
All I'm saying is that just because some things are commonly practiced doesn't equate to better. In my case better is my money in my pocket without a compromise. In my case the longer intervals compromise nothing. In fact the filtration is better my way.
You do whatever you like. No one is forcing you to do anything,but your only fooling yourself if you think your doing something superior that will equate to extending useable engine life.
When your car heads to the wrecker I'm sure the engine will run just fine,as will mine,however mine will have cost me less to get there.
I've got work vans pushing 400000 on the odo doing things my way. Service cost per unit over the life of the unit is low and I sacrifice nothing. Certainly not shorter engine life. And less expense for equal performance is smart business.
Do what you like. I am merely expressing that money can be saved by running decent filters longer on known clean engines.
All of my vehicles get higher than advertised mileage,all are high mile and run beautifully and I spent less to achieve this.
I could have spent more on various items but why when it's not required and there isn't a downside.
I respect your opinions, but can disagree. I just don't see savings for myself, $5 every ten months isn't anything. My point was there are lots of other things we all waste a lot more money on. I don't agree with your opinion oil filters get better as they load up, because you have no facts to show it. Or that the small pores stay open while the large close up. Sounds wrong. I want a new filter to increase the chances oil is flowing through the filter element not through the bypass hole. Yes people come here to learn, that's why it is good to listen to the contrary opinions.
I have severe oil filter paranoia
see https://youtu.be/zf27FQsh3Nc?t=1m10s
see more here https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPi_s5p45KGvZfDqHnY1lupx-HVUMkhqy
do i have good reason to be so paranoid ?
Originally Posted By: Clevy
Originally Posted By: goodtimes
Originally Posted By: Clevy
That Hyundai filter looks decent.
As far as cardboard end caps go those things are welded on.
I use tough guards for 20000 miles in my known clean engines. When I dissect the filters the end caps are still glued so well that I cannot separate them from the media and if I don't cut the end caps loose they come off on chunks.
I like to stretch out the media to see the agglomerated particulate the filter caught who necessitates end cap removal.
Before buying tough guards I used wix however I got tired of the price and I found Canadian tire had their rebranded tough guards on sale so I bought 5 of each for my charger and truck.
So the end cap issue isn't one. If there was any chance of them failing they would at the mileage I use them for and its glaringly obvious to me that even at 20000 miles I could run them for longer.
I do not suggest running a filter as I do unless you know for certain your engine is clean.
And I am a fanboy. A fan boy of money. My money. And keeping it in my pocket.
Just sayin.
Me too, I just spent about $15 to drive 300 miles at $2.63/gal. That's $300 for gas in 6K miles. I usually can do a little better. How about you. I spend between $3-5 for premium filters like Denso and Ultra, changed without fail each oil change to get a new clean filter same as they use for the efficiency tests. If I changed filters half as much I would save about $3-5 in 6K miles, 6-10 postage stamps or a cup or two of starbucks.
Well considering gas is double here.as well as everything else I don't think I can compare.
My point was I don't spend money I don't have to. Filters for example. You use 4 to my 1. That's 20 bucks more in my pocket and since a filter gets better as the media loads you've effectively paid more to become less efficient. It might be a small difference but it's still a difference.
I walk to get most things from a store,or my Harley. It gets 50mpg. I drive my truck when I have to,my charger is a guilty pleasure and is a fair weather ride or if I've gotta cart my kids around. I don't drive it in the winter anymore.
I see the point your trying to make and that's fine. It's your money. My point is that you are using more of a product with some dream that it's better when the reality is it isn't.
If a filter can be used for 20000 miles and you change it at 5000 miles you pay more. Then because the filter is new it doesn't trap the smaller particulate so it passes right thru.
I've learned that the particulate that does the most damage is under 20 micron. A fram ultra cannot trap those particles until the media loads up,then those finer particles are more likely to be stopped. A new filter just lets them thru.
This site is for those who want to learn stuff and I've learned a lot by trying things because I listened to guys who know. Many myths out there.
So you go right ahead and do what your doing. I don't care how you spend your money. I care about mine.
We like to show that commonly held beliefs like the 3000 mile oil change interval are nonsense. The same goes for filters.
All I'm saying is that just because some things are commonly practiced doesn't equate to better. In my case better is my money in my pocket without a compromise. In my case the longer intervals compromise nothing. In fact the filtration is better my way.
You do whatever you like. No one is forcing you to do anything,but your only fooling yourself if you think your doing something superior that will equate to extending useable engine life.
When your car heads to the wrecker I'm sure the engine will run just fine,as will mine,however mine will have cost me less to get there.
I've got work vans pushing 400000 on the odo doing things my way. Service cost per unit over the life of the unit is low and I sacrifice nothing. Certainly not shorter engine life. And less expense for equal performance is smart business.
Do what you like. I am merely expressing that money can be saved by running decent filters longer on known clean engines.
All of my vehicles get higher than advertised mileage,all are high mile and run beautifully and I spent less to achieve this.
I could have spent more on various items but why when it's not required and there isn't a downside.
I respect your opinions, but can disagree. I just don't see savings for myself, $5 every ten months isn't anything. My point was there are lots of other things we all waste a lot more money on. I don't agree with your opinion oil filters get better as they load up, because you have no facts to show it. Or that the small pores stay open while the large close up. Sounds wrong. I want a new filter to increase the chances oil is flowing through the filter element not through the bypass hole. Yes people come here to learn, that's why it is good to listen to the contrary opinions.
I have severe oil filter paranoia
see https://youtu.be/zf27FQsh3Nc?t=1m10s
see more here https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPi_s5p45KGvZfDqHnY1lupx-HVUMkhqy
do i have good reason to be so paranoid ?
Originally Posted By: Arctic388
I have severe oil filter paranoia
see https://youtu.be/zf27FQsh3Nc?t=1m10s
see more here https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPi_s5p45KGvZfDqHnY1lupx-HVUMkhqy
do i have good reason to be so paranoid ?
Try some xanax instead of watching a witch doctor trying to examine chicken bones.
I have severe oil filter paranoia
see https://youtu.be/zf27FQsh3Nc?t=1m10s
see more here https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPi_s5p45KGvZfDqHnY1lupx-HVUMkhqy
do i have good reason to be so paranoid ?
Try some xanax instead of watching a witch doctor trying to examine chicken bones.
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
Originally Posted By: Arctic388
I have severe oil filter paranoia
see https://youtu.be/zf27FQsh3Nc?t=1m10s
see more here https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPi_s5p45KGvZfDqHnY1lupx-HVUMkhqy
do i have good reason to be so paranoid ?
Try some xanax instead of watching a witch doctor trying to examine chicken bones.
those are my videos from my vehicles. LOL
Originally Posted By: Arctic388
I have severe oil filter paranoia
see https://youtu.be/zf27FQsh3Nc?t=1m10s
see more here https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPi_s5p45KGvZfDqHnY1lupx-HVUMkhqy
do i have good reason to be so paranoid ?
Try some xanax instead of watching a witch doctor trying to examine chicken bones.
those are my videos from my vehicles. LOL
Since I buy a half dozen or more filters to get free shipping, no tax, and a low price, I did some calculations about my spend thrift ways. If I change the filter every oil change I waste approximately $1 per year over buying less often, getting them one at a time from WM, and leaving the filter on 2X. I should talk to an accountant but I think the retirement is still OK. If I leave filters on 2X or 3X it will take up to 12 years for me to use up my filters, making them too old to use. The filters might even pass on in my estate unless I start to use them faster.
Originally Posted By: Arctic388
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
Originally Posted By: Arctic388
I have severe oil filter paranoia
see https://youtu.be/zf27FQsh3Nc?t=1m10s
see more here https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPi_s5p45KGvZfDqHnY1lupx-HVUMkhqy
do i have good reason to be so paranoid ?
Try some xanax instead of watching a witch doctor trying to examine chicken bones.
those are my videos from my vehicles. LOL
lol indeed
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
Originally Posted By: Arctic388
I have severe oil filter paranoia
see https://youtu.be/zf27FQsh3Nc?t=1m10s
see more here https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPi_s5p45KGvZfDqHnY1lupx-HVUMkhqy
do i have good reason to be so paranoid ?
Try some xanax instead of watching a witch doctor trying to examine chicken bones.
those are my videos from my vehicles. LOL
lol indeed
Originally Posted By: aircooled
I'm going to abuse my truck and wallet by going to the store and buying a Synthetic Purolator (yes Purolator!) and changing it every oil change!.
Syn Purs are not the problem, they are fine; only the Classic and PureOnes are Tearolators.
I'm going to abuse my truck and wallet by going to the store and buying a Synthetic Purolator (yes Purolator!) and changing it every oil change!.
Syn Purs are not the problem, they are fine; only the Classic and PureOnes are Tearolators.
Originally Posted By: Arctic388
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
Originally Posted By: Arctic388
I have severe oil filter paranoia
see https://youtu.be/zf27FQsh3Nc?t=1m10s
see more here https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPi_s5p45KGvZfDqHnY1lupx-HVUMkhqy
do i have good reason to be so paranoid ?
Try some xanax instead of watching a witch doctor trying to examine chicken bones.
those are my videos from my vehicles. LOL
That's you?! I've seen most of your videos a few months ago. I enjoy your channel! Keep it up. What a small world.
Originally Posted By: cptbarkey
Originally Posted By: Arctic388
I have severe oil filter paranoia
see https://youtu.be/zf27FQsh3Nc?t=1m10s
see more here https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPi_s5p45KGvZfDqHnY1lupx-HVUMkhqy
do i have good reason to be so paranoid ?
Try some xanax instead of watching a witch doctor trying to examine chicken bones.
those are my videos from my vehicles. LOL
That's you?! I've seen most of your videos a few months ago. I enjoy your channel! Keep it up. What a small world.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
^^^ The first 470,000 miles was with Purolators that didn't tear.
Or they tore, and your fears are unfounded. lol j/k.
^^^ The first 470,000 miles was with Purolators that didn't tear.
Or they tore, and your fears are unfounded. lol j/k.
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