Filter choice

[NoChoiceHere]

Hi, been looking at the spec of the filter used on uur European renault diesel.

The standard filter would be a Fram PH5976 or WIX 57207.

If we look at the spec of that filter:

Part Number: 57207
UPC Number: 765809572072
Principal Application: Various Renault Trucks - Lombardini Engines, Arctic Cat
All Applications
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 2.418
Outer Diameter Top: 3.071
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Max Flow Rate: 8-10 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 25

Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.734 2.430 0.226

A slightly oversized replacement that looks like a exact upgrade is the Fram PH5566 or PH5566A or WIX 51083

Part Number: 51083
UPC Number: 765809510838
Principal Application: Melroe Bobcat, Toro, Yale & Towne Forklifts
All Applications
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 3.404
Outer Diameter Top: 2.921
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 8-11
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Burst Pressure-PSI: 280
Nominal Micron Rating: 21

Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.734 2.430 0.226

Any thoughts or help appreciated, apparently the bigger one used to be used on older renaults, so i am guessing its a good choice as a slightly larger filter for the job, but i am guessing.

 

[cp3]

On paper it looks like it would work, I agree as long as there is room for it to fit. Other may be able to chime in on the difference in the bypass, I don't know if 3 psi is anything to worry about. Slightly better efficiency and capacity can't hurt. Of course, get the Wix oxer the Fram if you can.

 

[NoChoiceHere]

Originally Posted By: cp3
On paper it looks like it would work, I agree as long as there is room for it to fit. Other may be able to chime in on the difference in the bypass, I don't know if 3 psi is anything to worry about. Slightly better efficiency and capacity can't hurt. Of course, get the Wix oxer the Fram if you can.


I know there is room, at least another 4 inches of room after the filter top, so plenty of room for a longer filter, currently it has had a fram on it for 2 months simply due to getting one very cheap, but since then i have learnt to use better filters, here in the UK Wix are hard to get, Unipart seem to use them, hopefully i can obtain the wix one on ebay soon.

 

[Texan4Life]

Originally Posted By: NoChoiceHere
Originally Posted By: cp3
On paper it looks like it would work, I agree as long as there is room for it to fit. Other may be able to chime in on the difference in the bypass, I don't know if 3 psi is anything to worry about. Slightly better efficiency and capacity can't hurt. Of course, get the Wix oxer the Fram if you can.


I know there is room, at least another 4 inches of room after the filter top, so plenty of room for a longer filter, currently it has had a fram on it for 2 months simply due to getting one very cheap, but since then i have learnt to use better filters, here in the UK Wix are hard to get, Unipart seem to use them, hopefully i can obtain the wix one on ebay soon.


you could probably cross the wix to Mann, or Mahle if those are easier to get. both are regarded as high quality filters.

 

[NoChoiceHere]

It was the Wix replacement for the original fram i was having trouble tracking down on ebay, but the bigger filter i mention i have found.

Believe me now i know about fram i will not buy again, but i have a few fram filters to get through, but i will use those up when the mechanic does the cambelt this week. Fresh fram filters went on about 2 months ago for fuel and oil, at that time i was more desperate to get the vehicle serviced in a hurry.

The car will do less than 6000 miles a year, its probably done no more than 500 miles on the filters i had the mechanic put in. To be fair, this is probably the best treatment its had in a while, but it is low mileage.

 

[cp3]

It's not like the Frams are going to kill your car. in fact if you're only going to do a yearly change at 6000km you might want to stick with them if they are easier to get or cheaper. Personally I go to more trouble and expense not to use them but I would in a pinch.

 

[daman]

The difference in by pass settings will hurt nothing it'll just go into by pass less often, which is a good thing.

i'm running a 18psi BP on my ford tractor calling for a 8-12,i want less bp.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Originally Posted By: daman
The difference in by pass settings will hurt nothing it'll just go into by pass less often, which is a good thing.

i'm running a 18psi BP on my ford tractor calling for a 8-12,i want less bp.


I think a filter's bypass setting is mostly filter dependent. If a filter has a higher bypass setting it might be slightly more restrictive and//or designed to hold more debris and obtain a higher delta P before the bypass opens. A filter with a higher bypass setting is also (supposedly) able to take more PSID across the media without blowing a hole through it.

 

[NoChoiceHere]

Thanks for your input, i have found wix filter WL 7086, this is the european wix part number for the wix filter 51083 i was looking at using, so will obtain one.

We have decided to do a 6000 mile oil change, the car does a lot of short runs mainly.

Is it worth getting our mechanic to change the filter for the next 5500 miles, bearing in mind i will have to put another litre or os of oil back in to cover what is lost when we remove the fram and also what extra is needed to fill the bigger filter?

This car is positively pampered in comparison to its previus life, it is quite old, its 13 years old!

 

[NoChoiceHere]

Another filter i have found that may fit is this one:


Part Number: 51287
UPC Number: 765809512870
Principal Application: Various Porsche (83-95)
All Applications
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 4.828
Outer Diameter Top: 2.921
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed
Thread Size: 20X1.5 MM
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: 27-33
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Burst Pressure-PSI: 310
Max Flow Rate: 9-11 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 19

Gasket Diameters
Number O.D. I.D. Thk.
Attached 2.734 2.430 0.226

I think my first choice is definately the best one, it has exactly the same end as the one it replaces, but this one might work, but the outside lip is further out and the holes on the top of the filter are in a different location.

 

[steve20]

use the Frams you have, with confidence. I do on my Vettes.

 

[NoChoiceHere]

I have managed to get a cheap Wicks WL 7086 so will try that, but one thing that i wonder about is whether the flow rates and pressures will be ok on any other filter i choose to use, obviously bypass pressure isn't a concern as oil can always come from the filter, any one have any clue, how would i know whether a filter i choose with the same gasket and thread will be ok?