New 2013 Tacoma, 2.7L engine. The FF is synthetic 0w-20 with a 5K/6M OCI. Thinkng about doing an early 2K OC...then 5K after that. Am I wasting my time and money or is there even just a little benefit from changing the FF before 5K?
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maybe at 3k mi change it. That will be after the break in period of the engine. If it had 0miles when you bought it. You can never change oil too much!
Dump the factory fill at 4800 miles. Then you should be good for 9500 miles or 12 months on that Toyota 0w-20 synthetic. Your car has a large oil sump which helps.
Originally Posted By: Realtech214
maybe at 3k mi change it. That will be after the break in period of the engine. If it had 0miles when you bought it. You can never change oil too much!
This takes the most absurd comment of the day award.
Try reading the article written by Dnewton on the home page of the site. You may learn why your comment is absurd.
Op. change the oil when Toyota tells you to. Simple.
maybe at 3k mi change it. That will be after the break in period of the engine. If it had 0miles when you bought it. You can never change oil too much!
This takes the most absurd comment of the day award.
Try reading the article written by Dnewton on the home page of the site. You may learn why your comment is absurd.
Op. change the oil when Toyota tells you to. Simple.
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Originally Posted By: Realtech214
You can never change oil too much!
Changing oil too often can cause increased wear.
You can never change oil too much!
Changing oil too often can cause increased wear.
on your drain plug maybe
Yeah they are right. Run the factory fill 10k at least...
I think you should change your oil every 50 miles to get all the metal shavings and grit out of your engine...........Just kidding
Save your money and let your engine break in.
Save your money and let your engine break in.
Originally Posted By: Realtech214
on your drain plug maybe
That too.
on your drain plug maybe
That too.
You are going to get a million suggestions. Ultimately it is up to you and no matter what you choose, the longevity of the engine will not be conromised. Personally, I would recommend taking the factory fill to 3000-5000 miles. I would do perhaps one more shorter OCI like 5000-7500 miles and then stick to what the Toyita recommends.
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ALl depends on who you ask. Most engines these days dont really require a "Break In" period anymore. Still, it doesn't hurt to baby it for the first 500-1000 miles. Personally I drain the oil around 1500 miles. Why? Its old fashioned I know, but back when my Dad worked for Acura, one of the Guru's from ACURA came over to check on a car that had some issues. My Dad asked him about the changing the oil early thing. He recommended to change it around 1500 miles because some particles from the casting process "May" be present. So IMO as good as these cars are machined, its just cheap insurance to dump it early. Sure the filter will catch any large particles, but by the time it actually gets to the filter?? I mean, you just spent big money on a new car, the new oil is cheap insurance.
I will get bashed for this I am sure, but to me pushing oil to the limit that its barely have any life left is silly. I mean besides your house, your car is your 2nd bigest investment and you want to test to see how long your oil can last? If I had an old beater maybe for fun, but not on a new car.
So dump it at 1500 miles or there a bouts, and then follow Toyota's recommendations. Keep in mind though, the "Normal" and "Severe" maintenance schedules. I fall under "Severe" but many in my area do "Normal" services and have had warranty claims rejected.
Congrats on the new car
Jeff
I will get bashed for this I am sure, but to me pushing oil to the limit that its barely have any life left is silly. I mean besides your house, your car is your 2nd bigest investment and you want to test to see how long your oil can last? If I had an old beater maybe for fun, but not on a new car.
So dump it at 1500 miles or there a bouts, and then follow Toyota's recommendations. Keep in mind though, the "Normal" and "Severe" maintenance schedules. I fall under "Severe" but many in my area do "Normal" services and have had warranty claims rejected.
Congrats on the new car
Jeff
I agree with zaedock in that every time you change your oil you have a period of a dry start up no matter how much oil you try and put in the filter.
i make most of the engine seminars and the big guys agree 100%
i make most of the engine seminars and the big guys agree 100%
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Its old fashioned I know, but back when my Dad worked for Acura, one of the Guru's from ACURA came over to check on a car that had some issues. My Dad asked him about the changing the oil early thing. He recommended to change it around 1500 miles because some particles from the casting process "May" be present.
By "guru" you mean what? One of the dealer service department "self appointed experts" or the district service manager for Acura?
I can promise you that Acura (which is Honda) does NOT recommend removing the factory fill before a specified period that is to be found in the factory owner's manual.
The reason is that the factory fill is loaded with moly and other friction modifiers that is ONLY in that initial factory oil fill and is placed there by the manufacturer for best wear performance over the lifetime of the engine.
READ YOUR OWNER'S MANUAL.
Do NOT rely on the Stealership "guru" to give the the correct advice on such matters as usually they are not only wrong they are going against what the engineers recommend that designed your engine, and know what is best for it.
Its old fashioned I know, but back when my Dad worked for Acura, one of the Guru's from ACURA came over to check on a car that had some issues. My Dad asked him about the changing the oil early thing. He recommended to change it around 1500 miles because some particles from the casting process "May" be present.
By "guru" you mean what? One of the dealer service department "self appointed experts" or the district service manager for Acura?
I can promise you that Acura (which is Honda) does NOT recommend removing the factory fill before a specified period that is to be found in the factory owner's manual.
The reason is that the factory fill is loaded with moly and other friction modifiers that is ONLY in that initial factory oil fill and is placed there by the manufacturer for best wear performance over the lifetime of the engine.
READ YOUR OWNER'S MANUAL.
Do NOT rely on the Stealership "guru" to give the the correct advice on such matters as usually they are not only wrong they are going against what the engineers recommend that designed your engine, and know what is best for it.
i would not put much faith in stealership service departments either. Listen to the factory..
Most of the others dont know or are trying to rip you off just like some doctors selling pacemakers.
Most of the others dont know or are trying to rip you off just like some doctors selling pacemakers.
Toyota uses a special "break in" oil filter which ought to be left on for the specified period. I suspect the oil they use for the first fill is as carfully thought out as the filter. It's not something they would leave to chance.
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When my '08 Tacoma with the same engine was new, I did a changes at 3K, 6K and 10K. Then every 5K since. It has seen whatever oil bargain I run into. At 61K all is well and it uses no oil. The 2TR-FE is not picky over which oil you use. Enjoy your new Tacoma.
I kinda figured I might be opening a can of worms asking the question. Just thought I get some opinions.
Even with the synthetic oil, Toyota recommneds 5k/6m OCI on the Tacoma. I guess they assume a truck may be used under severe conditions because most of their cars are now 10k/1y OCI's with the same 0w-20 syn.
The owner's manual is clear that the oil should be changed at 5k miles even if the time frame is under 6m and vise versa...to change it at no later than 6m even if the mileage is under 5k.
So if I didn't drive it much and was well under 5k miles at 6m....according to Toyota I should change it. That said...they don't seem overly concerned if one changes the oil before 5k. So that's why I was considering changing it around 2k or so...figuring I wouldn't be hurting anything.
Even with the synthetic oil, Toyota recommneds 5k/6m OCI on the Tacoma. I guess they assume a truck may be used under severe conditions because most of their cars are now 10k/1y OCI's with the same 0w-20 syn.
The owner's manual is clear that the oil should be changed at 5k miles even if the time frame is under 6m and vise versa...to change it at no later than 6m even if the mileage is under 5k.
So if I didn't drive it much and was well under 5k miles at 6m....according to Toyota I should change it. That said...they don't seem overly concerned if one changes the oil before 5k. So that's why I was considering changing it around 2k or so...figuring I wouldn't be hurting anything.
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Toyota is going to provide the first two years of maintenance as part of the purchase price so you're going to get the factory intervals which are fine.
Originally Posted By: Indydriver
Toyota is going to provide the first two years of maintenance as part of the purchase price so you're going to get the factory intervals which are fine.
True...but I'll probably do mine own anyway.
Toyota is going to provide the first two years of maintenance as part of the purchase price so you're going to get the factory intervals which are fine.
True...but I'll probably do mine own anyway.
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