Factory Fill -1,145km -2010 Honda CR-V 2.4L Petrol

[IPCOlsenVZ]

Code:
OIL Factory Fill

OIL KLMS 1145

MACHINE KLMS 1145

SAMPLE TAKEN 24/5/2011



SAMPLE VISCOSITY

@40c cSt 53



PARTICLE COUNT(1-100) 35

PARTICLE SIZE %:
PARTICLE SIZE %:10-20um 2%

PARTICLE SIZE %:>20um 1%

RUBBING High to 30um

CUTTING Med to 10um

LAMINAR Low TO 75um

FATIGUE High to 20um

PARTICLE CONTAMINATION High



METALS

ALUMINUM 16

CHROMIUM 4

IRON 11

COPPER 30

LEAD 2

TIN
NICKEL


CONTAMINANTS

SODIUM
SILICON 41



ADDITIVES

BORON 109

MOLYBDENUM 275

CALCIUM 1622

MAGNESIUM 7

PHOSPHORUS 802

ZINC 781

SULPHUR 2621



WATER pre>




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Comments on report:

Wear metals are at high levels in spectrographic results and high in microscopic report with particles visible to 75um.

Silicon is high which may be due to sealant contamination or dust ingression. Viscosity appears low for an engine oil

although is not considered abnormal for a running in oil. High levels of wear metals and silicon could be caused by dust

which is showing high in particle count.Resample at 1000 klms to check wear levels and check air intake system.

Oil change is recommended to flush compartment and restore oil condition.

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Driving Conditions:

70% city 30% Highway driving

Fuel economy: Approx 10L/100km

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Refilled with: Fuchs GT1 0w20

Filter: Honda

Next change will be made in 6 months, as per Honda servicing.

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Note: I was not present for sampling, dealership did it.

 

[Bluestream]

Is the a double post??

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...196#Post2271196

 

[IPCOlsenVZ]

Of course not, they share in common a factory fill test and the same new oil.

 

[FL_Rob]

What oil are they using for factory fill? It seems like it's an authentic break-in oil.

 

[ammolab]

Many on the "CR-V" forums would burn you at the stake for draining the precious Honda Break in Oil early.... but I'm with you brother. I drained my 2010 CR-V oil at about 1000 miles and put in Mobil 1.

Hasn't blown up yet!

What vis Oil do Honda guys run down under?

 

[Jim Allen]

Have never seen a particle count presented that way but it does show the break-in process quite well, doesn't it?

Maybe the answer to leaving the break in oil in longer (I cringe at the thought) is to change it early but use a similar oil to replace it? That first thou or two mile (or klicks, as the case may be) is when most of the gunk will be generated. You could run the second fill out to a short OCI, say 3K, and then run normal OCIs and normal oil after.

 

[Hounds]

Originally Posted By: Jim Allen
. . . Maybe the answer to leaving the break in oil in longer (I cringe at the thought) is to change it early but use a similar oil to replace it? That first thou or two mile (or klicks, as the case may be) is when most of the gunk will be generated. You could run the second fill out to a short OCI, say 3K, and then run normal OCIs and normal oil after.

Another option is to change the original oil filter at, say, 1k and stick with the FF (gotta love that moly) for 3k or more. I've done that.

 

[Artem]

The reason why so many automakers say to leave all that junk floating around in the FF for the duration of the OCI is a huge mystery to me (and everyone else on this board, i'm sure)

I personally dumped the FF @ 1k on both my 2007 Civics and replaced it with Valvoline HM (supposedly had loads of moly in it at the time, i don't know if it still does today, its not an oil of interest to me anymore)

Some say the fine particles of metal shavings help to "polish" the engine internals and remove any rough surfaces which in turn should prolong engine life. I feel that 1,000 miles of that stuff splashing around is long enough though

 

[IPCOlsenVZ]

ammolab - It would have more kms on it but it hadn’t been driven that much during its 6 month service interval. The aussie manual states viscosity from 0W30 to 15W40.

 

[The motor guy]

Thats interesting. They call for 5w20 over here in the states. I wonder if it's just because of cafe reasons or if they build the engines differently over in australia.

 

[Hounds]

Originally Posted By: motor_oil_madman
Thats interesting. They call for 5w20 over here in the states. I wonder if it's just because of cafe reasons or if they build the engines differently over in australia.

Actually, for 2010-2011, it's 0W-20. Why else?, and no.

 

[Artem]

Originally Posted By: IPCOlsenVZ
ammolab - It would have more kms on it but it hadn’t been driven that much during its 6 month service interval. The aussie manual states viscosity from 0W30 to 15W40.



15w40 is just crazy!!

unless its like Super HOT over there or something.

I'd stick with a nice juicy 5w30 for the K series engines, esp if you tend to run them HARD. Otherwise i think 90% of the engines driven normally would be fine with a 5w20 or 0w20.

 

[ammolab]

Originally Posted By: motor_oil_madman
Thats interesting. They call for 5w20 over here in the states. I wonder if it's just because of cafe reasons or if they build the engines differently over in australia.


You can't convince me that Honda builds a "Different Spec." motor for every market they send cars to. I also don't think USA bound Hondas have a single difference than those Aussie CR-Vs running 15W-40 oil.

I have a Japanese Built 2010 CR-V and may well put in something a bit 'stouter' than 0W-20 next time I tow my Motorcycle trailer across Texas in summer heat at 85mph.

 

[bigmike]

Originally Posted By: Artem
The reason why so many automakers say to leave all that junk floating around in the FF for the duration of the OCI is a huge mystery to me (and everyone else on this board, i'm sure)

I personally dumped the FF @ 1k on both my 2007 Civics and replaced it with Valvoline HM (supposedly had loads of moly in it at the time, i don't know if it still does today, its not an oil of interest to me anymore)

Some say the fine particles of metal shavings help to "polish" the engine internals and remove any rough surfaces which in turn should prolong engine life. I feel that 1,000 miles of that stuff splashing around is long enough though


It isn't a mystery to me and there has been little evidence produced to show that replacing the Honda factory fill does much of anything except lightening your wallet.

The Honda FF has shown to be of high quality and a genuine break-in oil. Even the owner's manual explains to keep it for at least 7500 miles or go by the MM.

I'm sure it won't hurt anything either route chosen.