Extended Warranties Revisited

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I'd stick with factory, which for most of the Germans can be extended to 7 years or 125k.

I wouldn't spend a penny on an aftermarket warranty, or anything beyond a factory warranty on a basic car because they are cheap to fix.
 
Originally Posted By: doitmyself
Thanks so far. No one here seems too worried about computer failure, etc. (my adult son's Mustang had this happen, but his used car warranty covered the $600).

Please continue the comments about extended warranties, but I would like to take this in another direction.

I hear stories of people that show no interest in a warranty towards the end of a new car signing, and that the dealer will go WAY down on the cost of said warranty, maybe reduce it 40% or more. $1200 down to $720.

Anyone have experience with this? Thanks.

And, FYI, I might consider an extended dealer warranty IF it was dirt cheap. On the other hand, if I were to self insure, I think I could manage to put $50 away monthly for the 36 month bumper to bumper period and have $1,800 to work with at that point. Comments?



There's a huge profit margin in those warranties. So there's plenty of opportunity to wheel and deal. See the experience of the buyers of the Ford ESP who typically pay double over what the internet sellers charge. I have to assume its true of all of them.

Well, I see two problems with self-insurance: One is that your loss history might be zero or it might be total. No doubt its better to have more cash rather than less in the case of a loss, but its impossible for you to spread your own risk unless you own a fleet of cars. If the seller of the commercial insurance is operating on a close margin, say 10 percent or so, you are taking on a lot of risk to save that statistical 10 percent. Extended warranties tend to be overpriced, but not necessarily. Its a way for a manufacturer to sell cars that the public might be wary of. I know I wouldn't want to be on Ford's side of the 800 dollar Ecoboost 100K warranties.

Perhaps more important is the value a transferrable warranty adds to a used car sale. If you happen to have a couple of years of factory warranty left on your car, you have a very considerable leg up in the used car market. A guy selling a 5 yr old car with maybe 24K and 2 years left on a reasonably priced extended factory warranty is just about going to recover the purchase price of the warranty right there--and he had the protection of the warranty himself all along.
 
jimbrewer, I don't understand your second paragraph regarding self insuring.

I was not implying to self insure the entire car's value in liew of real car insurance. I simply meant saving up $2,000 dollars or more during the 36month/36K miles warranty period to create one's own "extended warranty" nest egg. Certainly, the high ticket repairs like transmission rebuild and computer replacement could be mostly covered with $2,000 dollars, correct?
 
If they prevent you from trading a vehicle out of warranty and keep it a few years longer. Well worth it. The depreciation hit is not as horrible.

That being said I have very complex vehicles (Acura MDX Technology) and not a single item out of warranty has failed from 80k-105k with it. I believe the bumper to bumper stopped at 50k. In warranty it had nothing done to it either except a piece of trim refitted.
 
Originally Posted By: otis24
The point of extended warranties is that automobiles can fail at any time with unknown costs that can range into the thousands. The people that get me are the ones that purcase a used automobile and expected that it will automatically be covered by the dealer because "we just bought it". How people have gotten the idea that their automobile "is supposed to be covered" is beyond me. Covereage is under the factory warranty or by extended warranty. I've seen "used" automobiles with less than 50k miles that needed major repairs. It happens. The customer always feels cheated when you explain that their vehicle does not have a warranty. No matter how much you try to explain it at the time of purchase, they think they will be o.k. because the vehicle is fairly new. But when a failure happens, they feel that you "ripped them off" because you won't write a check for the repairs. Warranties are always a bad deal, until you need one.


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Couldn't have said it better!

Also, people seem to think the only expensive repair on vehicles is powertrain related. They think because they have a 100K Powertrain Warranty(PTW) they don't need more. I disagree with that 100%. There are so many other areas that can run into the thousands to repair it isn't funny. Especially on the electronics side which are far more likely to fail than powertrain components. Other things such as internal dash stuff, ABS system parts, suspension stuff, etc... can be crazy expensive to fix too.

If I buy a new vehicle and am unsure if I will keep it beyond the mfg's bumper to bumper warranty then I do not bother with Extended Warranty(EW) coverage. However, if I plan to keep it beyond that period I extend the warranty out to the time I expect to get rid of the vehicle, maybe to match the PTW, or it is paid off at the minimum. Just depends on what I feel is smart at the time.

If you plan to add an EW it is generallly best to do it at the time of purchase as it will be cheapest then( unless the dealer is a real rip off joint ). The longer you wait the more expensive it will be to add it. If I don't buy an EW at purchase I always try and do so before 12/12K as after that it goes up rapidly.

I added an EW to my Jeep Patriot just a few months ago. I added Chrysler's MaxCare extended warranty plan that covers almost everything out to 5/100K( $100 deductible )to augment the 5/100K PTW it came with. I didn't do it at purchase because I wasn't sure how I would feel long term about the vehicle after downsizing from years of full sized trucks to a small'ish SUV. After driving it for a bit I have decided I can live with it for a while so I got the EW to cover me a year past pay off. No way I would keep a vehicle longer than 5 years or 100,000 miles so I am covered while owning it for like 95%+ of any failures. Certainly the major ones anyway.

I paid $1300( dealer discounted it - Chrysler wanted $2500 ). Yes it is a lot of money but no it is not wasted money even if not used. Vehicle warranty coverage is no more of a waste than auto or home insurance. You almost never need those but when you do you are glad you have it. A common issue with the Patriot's is front suspension issues( ball joints/control arm assembly faiilures, tie rod failures, etc... ). Generally runs $500-$700 or so to repair and it is pretty much a sure thing at some point on this vehicle it will be needed. One failure and I am already 1/2 way to my cost on the EW as another member pointed out. The rest is my safety net against other failures. Pretty much 2 issues and I am even or ahead. If I sell the vehicle earlly I can at least get a partial refund.

IMO EW's on modern vehicles that are so expensive to repair is a no brainer. I would rather spend $1500 and not need to use it than have a repair that costs $5000 and not have coverage.
 
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The folks whom I know, that have purchaced extended warrantys' have either, not used the warranty because nothing went wrong or sold/traded the vehicle early or, the failed parts(in particular) were not covered. Read the contract well!
 
Throw all the money you would spend on all these crazy warranties (appliances, TV, car, etc.) into an account and use that for repairs. You'll have the option of where you are going to have it fixed, the option to repair it yourself, or replace if necessary. You'll come out ahead and have less headaches.
 
Originally Posted By: doitmyself
Thanks so far. No one here seems too worried about computer failure, etc. (my adult son's Mustang had this happen, but his used car warranty covered the $600).

Please continue the comments about extended warranties, but I would like to take this in another direction.

I hear stories of people that show no interest in a warranty towards the end of a new car signing, and that the dealer will go WAY down on the cost of said warranty, maybe reduce it 40% or more. $1200 down to $720.

Anyone have experience with this? Thanks.




They offered us a $2200 warranty for 7yrs/100k on our 2005 Legacy GT wagon when we purchased. My wife declined at initial negotiation which essentially was we will sell you car at invoice - $2500 rebate. It came up during final payment again and my wife said it was only worth $600 to her. They then offered it at $900 but she declined anyway. It worked well for us since we did not have a single repair out of warranty from 36k-100k on the vehicle.
 
Good point on the electronics. Engines are pretty solid today, most transmissions are capable of 150K with minimal maintenance.

The million modules and computers that are in a car are expensive when they fail. Sensors, etc.
 
If you are stupid enough to fall for extended warranty, at least do this

1) Only factory extended warranty
2) Make sure the warranty lists all the excluded items; don't even look at the included items! You want your warranty to list only the items they don't cover
3) Understand that extended warranty run *after* initial factory warranty
4) Often they have deductibles
5) Once you start "using" the warranty and your vehicle is "molested" by the servicing dealer, expect lot more problems coming your way.
6) Be smart and if you think your brand new car is going to put you in the poor house later, walk away now!
 
Originally Posted By: sciphi

If one absolutely must have a known problematic vehicle, then an extended warranty can make sense. Some relatives with a Ford Windstar made out very well with a very long extended warranty, since they got 3 transmission rebuilds covered under their extended warranty after one was covered under the regular powertrain warranty. They traded it on a Honda Odyssey immediately after that warranty ran out.


So they traded one POS with transmission issues for another POS with transmission issues.
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I think it all depends on the vehicle and how long you intend to keep it.

Bought a 97 Cobra in Jan '98. Took the extended warranty. At 40k the differential oil seal went out. Then at 42k it went again and took out the differential. Cost to me was $50. Would hate to see what a rebuilt would cost.

Traded the Cobra in on an 00 Explorer. Passed on the EW as finances were tight. At 58k the transmission failed. $2k later I wished I took the EW.

Wife bought a 2003 Escape. After the B2B it needed a new AC compressor, oil pan gasket (issue on the 3.0 of tat vintage), and a differential seal prior to the extended warranty running out. I think she got her money.

03 Infiniti G35, no EW. At 80k the AC stopped working. A new module, hose, condenser (those were made out of Bud cans) and $1000 later I wished I got an EW.

10 Taurus SHO. No EW this time and so far so good at 54k. I think I'm going to do OK with it.

That being said, I'm not afraid of the electrical stuff. It's been my experience those don't fail on well designed cars with regularity. And there are other options for them if you can turn a wrench.

It's all your own aversion to risk and the types of cars you buy. Buy good quality cars and you'll be fine. Buy from the bottom of reliability rankings and you may want the EW.
 
^ from your experience, it seems Ford's need an extended warranty!

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Buy old enough and cheap enough and there's no way a warranty makes financial sense.
 
Originally Posted By: surfstar
^ from your experience, it seems Ford's need an extended warranty!

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True. So did the Infiniti. In fairness, the wife's Escape has needed very little in the way of repairs over the years. It's coming up on 130k and still doing fine.
 
Originally Posted By: Vikas
If you are stupid enough to fall for extended warranty, at least do this

1) Only factory extended warranty
2) Make sure the warranty lists all the excluded items; don't even look at the included items! You want your warranty to list only the items they don't cover
3) Understand that extended warranty run *after* initial factory warranty
4) Often they have deductibles
5) Once you start "using" the warranty and your vehicle is "molested" by the servicing dealer, expect lot more problems coming your way.
6) Be smart and if you think your brand new car is going to put you in the poor house later, walk away now!


Who are you to call people such as myself stupid? Pretty rude comment.
 
Originally Posted By: doitmyself
jimbrewer, I don't understand your second paragraph regarding self insuring.

I was not implying to self insure the entire car's value in liew of real car insurance. I simply meant saving up $2,000 dollars or more during the 36month/36K miles warranty period to create one's own "extended warranty" nest egg. Certainly, the high ticket repairs like transmission rebuild and computer replacement could be mostly covered with $2,000 dollars, correct?



Sure, but your argument is basically an argument in favor of maintaining savings and liquidity, which is a good idea in life, but not necessarily an argument against either insurance or a warranty.

A warranty is basically insurance, so it should cover costs you could not easily cover yourself. So what you are suggesting is an argument in favor of a higher deductible policy. I agree, although when I checked prices there seemed little benefit to adopting the higher deductibles--I surmise that when they have claims, they tend to be fairly high-dollar claims.
 
Bump this up.

My son called and said he has his '10 Mustang in the shop for brake problems. He bought this used, and, unknown to me, told me tonight he was grateful to have spent about $800 for an extended warranty.

I don't remember exactly what the problem is (some kind of "module"), but he said total repair cost was going to be $1,400 dollars ($100 deductible for him).

Just relating a story. Not much discussion is left on this topic. Extended warranties are still a form of gambling, anyway one wants to look at it.

Take care.
 
It looks like in this thread we have some of "man I'm glad I bought that EW for $2000 plus interest, just got the car out of the shop, would of cost me $1000 to fix, but I only had to pay $50!!"

Does not compute.
 
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