Even electrek is on To Teslas misinformation

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97prizm

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Hi All,

Electrek posted an interesting article yesterday"

"Tesla claimed first ‘autonomous car delivery’ 8 months ago and never did it again"​

and has finally said what many have been saying
"TESLA and their one-time stunt playbook "
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This fits a pattern we’ve documented extensively. Tesla executes a flashy one-off, lets the media cycle and social media do the amplification work, and quietly moves on before anyone asks why it never happened again. The 2016 “Paint It Black” autonomy demo, which was later revealed to have been staged, was an early version of this strategy. The June 2025 autonomous delivery was its most refined execution yet.

The same pattern repeated in January 2026 when Musk announced “unsupervised” Robotaxi rides in Austin just before the Q4 earnings call. The stock jumped 4%. Then the unsupervised rides vanished within a week. "
If Trevor Milton gets jail time why doesn't Musk? Makes you wonder.
 
We've all known this. I said the same was going to happen when that delivery happened. FSD isn't there. It might never be. It's good, but there's a reason why it's just a fancy poorly named driver's aid. That's not to say that I think the marketing is fine for these features, just the opposite. The car itself is good. Don't buy a Tesla for FSD. Buy a Tesla for what it gives you for performance, range, interface, and price.

I know you're one of the ones that has Tesla living rent free in your head around here.
 
Don't forget about the quarter billion they conned out of people by taking reservations/deposits and still haven't even thought about producing the scam nearing a decade later. You have to fight to get your money back and even then you get no interest on your money so tesla basically got a no interest loan they can make difficult for the creditors to get back.
 
JavierH19 said:
Don't forget about the quarter billion they conned out of people by taking reservations/deposits and still haven't even thought about producing the scam nearing a decade later. You have to fight to get your money back and even then you get no interest on your money so tesla basically got a no interest loan they can make difficult for the creditors to get back.
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Yep, imagine having put that $50k deposit or $250k flat out payment into Tesla stocks instead, back in 2017 😇

That'd be close to one mil, or close to five at today's rate...blast, sorry, forgot, they're scammers. My bad.
 
goblin said:
Yep, imagine having put that $50k deposit or $250k flat out payment into Tesla stocks instead, back in 2017 😇

That'd be close to one mil, or close to five at today's rate...blast, sorry, forgot, they're scammers. My bad.
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Meh. People that stand in line to give away there money on a consumer good would have spent it on something else anyway. Not excusing Tesla - but not feeling sorry for the lemmings either.
 
SC Maintenance said:
Meh. People that stand in line to give away there money on a consumer good would have spent it on something else anyway. Not excusing Tesla - but not feeling sorry for the lemmings either.
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I wholeheartedly agree in principle, but you are describing different people ;)

I don't believe for a second the vast majority of people who could lock 50 to 250k indefinitely has had any money problems back then, or now.

I much more pity someone who coughs 1k for a new phone every 10 months (there's much more of these) than someone who locked $250k on a Tesla roadster.

Plus there's no public info on what percentage of people still have that money locked in ten years later - this is not public info (nor is the data of who locked how much). There's not even data on how many people pre-ordered. All those numbers come from the same source as the rest of the hype.
 
goblin said:
I wholeheartedly agree in principle, but you are describing different people ;)

I don't believe for a second the vast majority of people who could lock 50 to 250k indefinitely has had any money problems back then, or now.

I much more pity someone who coughs 1k for a new phone every 10 months (there's much more of these) than someone who locked $250k on a Tesla roadster.

Plus there's no public info on what percentage of people still have that money locked in ten years later - this is not public info (nor is the data of who locked how much). There's not even data on how many people pre-ordered. All those numbers come from the same source as the rest of the hype.
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I know many wealthy people. Some are very smart. Many - not so much (generational wealth).
 
Torrid said:
We've all known this. I said the same was going to happen when that delivery happened. FSD isn't there. It might never be. It's good, but there's a reason why it's just a fancy poorly named driver's aid. That's not to say that I think the marketing is fine for these features, just the opposite. The car itself is good. Don't buy a Tesla for FSD. Buy a Tesla for what it gives you for performance, range, interface, and price.

I know you're one of the ones that has Tesla living rent free in your head around here.
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California made Tesla rename or pull fsd off of material or face not being able to sell.
 
goblin said:
I wholeheartedly agree in principle, but you are describing different people ;)

I don't believe for a second the vast majority of people who could lock 50 to 250k indefinitely has had any money problems back then, or now.

I much more pity someone who coughs 1k for a new phone every 10 months (there's much more of these) than someone who locked $250k on a Tesla roadster.

Plus there's no public info on what percentage of people still have that money locked in ten years later - this is not public info (nor is the data of who locked how much). There's not even data on how many people pre-ordered. All those numbers come from the same source as the rest of the hype.
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I bet if you subpoenaed records Tesla and Musk willingly knew the roadster wasn't going to be built anytime soon. He claimed April 1st 2026 but if not "April fools". What dummy thought they'd actually have it in a year or two?
 
97prizm said:
I bet if you subpoenaed records Tesla and Musk willingly knew the roadster wasn't going to be built anytime soon. He claimed April 1st 2026 but if not "April fools". What dummy thought they'd actually have it in a year or two?
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No one doubts that.

I'm just speculating that the "250 mil held for ten years" number is as improbable as the "...roadster be ready in 2020 number..." - both come from the same source 😇.

My understanding is that we don't know how many were pre-ordered, nor for how long the pre-orders were held before people took their chips back.

As for the lies - yes, no sane person would disagree. They come with the territory.
A pity, as it shadows how amazing tesla's (the company and the team, not the person behind it) technology is. Overpromising and overhyping always do a disservice.
 
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honeeagle said:
hay where the heck is Jeff ?
time out
hope he is well
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This car is flat-out amazing. I would buy another tomorrow... The new Pilot Sport rubber is.... just right!
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I don't care what Electrek says... their opinion doesn't change the fact that Tesla makes absolutely wonderful cars that are a joy to own/lease and drive (whether you choose to do that yourself or have the car do it for you).

Do they have their issues? Yes, everything does. Has Elon overpromised many things over the years? Yes. But autonomy is the future and Tesla is still at the forefront. Everyone is playing catch up. Will they catch up? Probably. WIll they win? Maybe. But more options is always better and competition makes for an increased pace of improvement and brings prices down for everyone.

Give it 5-10 years and self-driving will probably be the norm. My opinion is that Tesla, Nvidia, Rivian, and Waymo will be the main companies in that space and most automakers will simply license a solution from one of those.
 
dogememe said:
I don't care what Electrek says... their opinion doesn't change the fact that Tesla makes absolutely wonderful cars that are a joy to own/lease and drive (whether you choose to do that yourself or have the car do it for you).

Do they have their issues? Yes, everything does. Has Elon overpromised many things over the years? Yes. But autonomy is the future and Tesla is still at the forefront. Everyone is playing catch up. Will they catch up? Probably. WIll they win? Maybe. But more options is always better and competition makes for an increased pace of improvement and brings prices down for everyone.

Give it 5-10 years and self-driving will probably be the norm. My opinion is that Tesla, Nvidia, Rivian, and Waymo will be the main companies in that space and most automakers will simply license a solution from one of those.
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I agree with you but need to disagree on the last line since I am saying I agree with the rest of your post. *LOL*
It does not matter who might be CONSIDERED the main company behind a technology. It just matters who sells the most vehicles.
Every electronic we buy in life, EX. TV sets or computers, we dont look at who is behind the technology and who licenses what. We look at who puts together the best "package" to our liking.

Some of you Tesla guys are sensitive so I will add my disclaimer for the last time. I am not anti Tesla just because I put that last line in. For those that like the vehicles there is no doubt in my mind it's a very well put together package and for someone that likes their products it has to be the most dead set reliable EV on the market right now.
But 5 to 10 years? I dont know, as we know, in the electronics business, those first to the plate has a tall order to stay there. Agree, we all benefit from competition.
 
alarmguy said:
I agree with you but need to disagree on the last line since I am saying I agree with the rest of your post. *LOL*
It does not matter who might be CONSIDERED the main company behind a technology. It just matters who sells the most vehicles.
Every electronic we buy in life, EX. TV sets or computers, we dont look at who is behind the technology and who licenses what. We look at who puts together the best "package" to our liking..
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Disagree, it matters who makes the most money. What good is selling a lot of a product that does not show a profit, especially over time?
The goal of a for profit company is to make money. When do the companies who struggle with their EV business decide they cannot compete? EV plans are being pulled back as we speak, which means margins drop due to economies of scale.

And the C-Level staff is beholden to the share holders; by definition.
 
JeffKeryk said:
Disagree, it matters who makes the most money. What good is selling a lot of a product that does not show a profit, especially over time?
The goal of a for profit company is to make money. When do the companies who struggle with their EV business decide they cannot compete? EV plans are being pulled back as we speak, which means margins drop due to economies of scale.

And the C-Level staff is beholden to the share holders; by definition.
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I really hope I can snag a 2027 Equinox EV in May when my Tesla lease is up for the same $10-15K off the 2026s are right now! Although I understand that is not long term viable for GM to offer such a discount.
 
JeffKeryk said:
Disagree, it matters who makes the most money. What good is selling a lot of a product that does not show a profit, especially over time?
The goal of a for profit company is to make money. When do the companies who struggle with their EV business decide they cannot compete? EV plans are being pulled back as we speak, which means margins drop due to economies of scale.

And the C-Level staff is beholden to the share holders; by definition.
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If your the consumer who cares how much profit a company makes off you buying their product?
I like to pay the least amount please!

IF you do care,
Tesla Profits down in 2025 to 3.8 billion, 46% decrease
GM profits down in 2025 to 11.6 billion a 50% decrease

So roughly GM made "only" 8 billion more than Tesla for 2025
 
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