EU is trying to ban Diesel and petrol cars
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Good lord
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Guy who worked with us ended up in high end rotating equipment in the natural gas liquidation plant.
Trent 60 prime movers...
Natural gas liquidation plant? What the [censored] that?
Guy who worked with us ended up in high end rotating equipment in the natural gas liquidation plant.
Trent 60 prime movers...
Natural gas liquidation plant? What the [censored] that?
Originally Posted By: silverbar
If they were smart they would ban all diesels over 3 years old that could not pass new diesel emissions regulations. Natural gas fueled jet engines to create electricity to charge electric car batteries sounds better than those stinky Prius oddball 4 stroke engines to charge up.
Originally Posted By: resist
That little gasoline engine in the Prius is not a normal 4-stroke now is it? And why no smog checks (not even in CA) on those dirty little high mileage petrol burner hybrids?
Oooohhh...is this another match ?
If they were smart they would ban all diesels over 3 years old that could not pass new diesel emissions regulations. Natural gas fueled jet engines to create electricity to charge electric car batteries sounds better than those stinky Prius oddball 4 stroke engines to charge up.
Originally Posted By: resist
That little gasoline engine in the Prius is not a normal 4-stroke now is it? And why no smog checks (not even in CA) on those dirty little high mileage petrol burner hybrids?
Oooohhh...is this another match ?
Looking for a match? My arse and your face, hows that mr paranoid?
Originally Posted By: resist
Looking for a match? My arse and your face, hows that mr paranoid?
Bingo, I might say...
edit, that sounds odd, but yes, my original correlation of the matching sock puppets appears to have been well founded...
Looking for a match? My arse and your face, hows that mr paranoid?
Bingo, I might say...
edit, that sounds odd, but yes, my original correlation of the matching sock puppets appears to have been well founded...
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Originally Posted By: PeterPolyol
Good lord
Google link on direvtrains, hope that it works
And the prime mover
https://www.siemens.com/global/en/home/products/energy/power-generation/gas-turbines/sgt-a65-tr.html#!/
Good lord
Google link on direvtrains, hope that it works
And the prime mover
https://www.siemens.com/global/en/home/products/energy/power-generation/gas-turbines/sgt-a65-tr.html#!/
We used to have CNG at nearly every service station.
Here, the natural gas utility has it for sale at their office; that's the one I mentioned driving by often enough. The city buses must have their own fueling setup at the bus barns.
You clowns selling lots of shinola? Good for U.
Screw the EU, what dreamers and only making that statement to feed the "Cult of Stupidity and Smart by Half'ers". I have a personal stash of Dilithium Crystals, and I don't need to worry about fossil fuels or nuclear power to charge my batteries.
Originally Posted By: Shannow
...to use Natural Gas (a highly utilitarian quality fuel) to generate electricity in stationary "jet" engines at 30% efficiency is a ridiculous waste of resurces...
If it's genuinely a "valuable resource" and not a waste product, why does your government levy a tax against its agricultural source. Because of this tax, lamb meat has become an expensive import. If you could collect all methane gas produced and even use methane to run compressors needed to compress methane, I'm sure there would be plenty of methane still available of which would be enough to render fossil fuel, in its entirety, obsolete
...to use Natural Gas (a highly utilitarian quality fuel) to generate electricity in stationary "jet" engines at 30% efficiency is a ridiculous waste of resurces...
If it's genuinely a "valuable resource" and not a waste product, why does your government levy a tax against its agricultural source. Because of this tax, lamb meat has become an expensive import. If you could collect all methane gas produced and even use methane to run compressors needed to compress methane, I'm sure there would be plenty of methane still available of which would be enough to render fossil fuel, in its entirety, obsolete
Originally Posted By: Motor_Boater
why does your government levy a tax against its agricultural source. Because of this tax, lamb meat has become an expensive import.
a) you don't know what you are talking about...check your sources and report back with the facts.
b) the argument that you posit about natural gas reserves and item a is nonsensical.
why does your government levy a tax against its agricultural source. Because of this tax, lamb meat has become an expensive import.
a) you don't know what you are talking about...check your sources and report back with the facts.
b) the argument that you posit about natural gas reserves and item a is nonsensical.
I took into account not only that which is tapped underground. But, primarily what isn't harnessed at the agricultural-, household and industrial level.
I haven't yet found anything on the Australian governnment's taxing likewise. But, if it did, there would be justification for Australian lamb and mutton being just as expensive as such Imports from New Zealand. This would be classic price gouging, taking advantage of the higher price commodity on the world market. Here, an almost 15 year old source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/sep/05/australia.davidfickling
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...more than 90% of livestock methane comes from burping, rather than flatulence
Wind from New Zealand's 30m sheep, 10m cattle and 2m deer accounts for 60% of greenhouse gas emissions, well ahead of industries such as transport and electricity generation...
I haven't yet found anything on the Australian governnment's taxing likewise. But, if it did, there would be justification for Australian lamb and mutton being just as expensive as such Imports from New Zealand. This would be classic price gouging, taking advantage of the higher price commodity on the world market. Here, an almost 15 year old source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/sep/05/australia.davidfickling
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...more than 90% of livestock methane comes from burping, rather than flatulence
Wind from New Zealand's 30m sheep, 10m cattle and 2m deer accounts for 60% of greenhouse gas emissions, well ahead of industries such as transport and electricity generation...
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Originally Posted By: Shannow
Originally Posted By: Motor_Boater
why does your government levy a tax against its agricultural source. Because of this tax, lamb meat has become an expensive import.
a) you don't know what you are talking about...check your sources and report back with the facts.
b) the argument that you posit about natural gas reserves and item a is nonsensical.
OK, we'll try this again...per Your quote...
Please tell me what Facts you have on the statements that you made...
First tell me about the tax...
Then tell me about your facts regarding Lamb becoming an expensive import because of it....
Then please explain the nonsensical argument about what can be harvested from animal emissions, and how that has any relationship with the issue of gas turbines and electricity generation.
(oh, and that colour is ridiculously hard to read)
Your claims...back them up...that way I can challenge them on the same basis that you present them other than some Faux News sound bite that's mistakenly rooted in your world view
Originally Posted By: Motor_Boater
why does your government levy a tax against its agricultural source. Because of this tax, lamb meat has become an expensive import.
a) you don't know what you are talking about...check your sources and report back with the facts.
b) the argument that you posit about natural gas reserves and item a is nonsensical.
OK, we'll try this again...per Your quote...
Please tell me what Facts you have on the statements that you made...
First tell me about the tax...
Then tell me about your facts regarding Lamb becoming an expensive import because of it....
Then please explain the nonsensical argument about what can be harvested from animal emissions, and how that has any relationship with the issue of gas turbines and electricity generation.
(oh, and that colour is ridiculously hard to read)
Your claims...back them up...that way I can challenge them on the same basis that you present them other than some Faux News sound bite that's mistakenly rooted in your world view
a) No carbon tax in Australia...
b) 2015/16, Australia produced 500,000 tonnes of lamb, and 200,000 tonnes of mutton, EXPORTING 240,000 tonnes of lamb.
So where are your facts coming from ?
How does that support your price gouging statement ?
and again, [censored] to do with Gas turbines and electric cars ?
b) 2015/16, Australia produced 500,000 tonnes of lamb, and 200,000 tonnes of mutton, EXPORTING 240,000 tonnes of lamb.
So where are your facts coming from ?
How does that support your price gouging statement ?
and again, [censored] to do with Gas turbines and electric cars ?
You're right about the tax not levied on Australian agriculture. Rather, in New Zealand. Because the price of imported lamb and mutton from both countries in Germany is the same, I assumed that Australian mutton was taxed in solidarity with New Zealand's policies. Otherwise, Australian exporters or rather exporters of non-Australian origin, if the case may be, would have passed the savings onto consumers of which they evidently did not
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...Then please explain the nonsensical argument about what can be harvested from animal emissions, and how that has any relationship with the issue of gas turbines and electricity generation...
To answer one quote with another. Now, tell me this is fake news:
https://www.clarke-energy.com/biogas/agricultural-biogas/
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...Agricultural biogas plants utilise organic materials found on farms to generate biogas, a renewable fuel source and in turn renewable power through cogeneration / combined heat & power. The plant may be designed to accept energy crops that have been grown specifically to input into the digestion facility or agricultural wastes...
...Alternatively other organic materials such as waste products may be used including:
Slurry.
Manure.
Vegetable waste.
Glycerol – from biodiesel manufacture...
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...Then please explain the nonsensical argument about what can be harvested from animal emissions, and how that has any relationship with the issue of gas turbines and electricity generation...
To answer one quote with another. Now, tell me this is fake news:
https://www.clarke-energy.com/biogas/agricultural-biogas/
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...Agricultural biogas plants utilise organic materials found on farms to generate biogas, a renewable fuel source and in turn renewable power through cogeneration / combined heat & power. The plant may be designed to accept energy crops that have been grown specifically to input into the digestion facility or agricultural wastes...
...Alternatively other organic materials such as waste products may be used including:
Slurry.
Manure.
Vegetable waste.
Glycerol – from biodiesel manufacture...
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agricultural biogas ISN'T collecting the burps and farts that you originally bought to the table, is it ?
It exists, it's NOT collecting burps and farts...
and the link that you provided is silly (and I believe that you only found it in the last hour).
When they say an acre produces "1KW", are they talking 1KWh, or 1KW for 8760 hours in the year ?
They can't even get their power metrics correct.
Now assuming it's the latter...1 acre of "whole crop maize" (that's everything, the good bits, the bad bits, the bits that usually get turned into something useful that they get paid for) produces 1KW for 8,760 hours in the year...8.76MWh...
With E50 per MWH wholesale price, that acre would earn 450 Euros before he paid for his plant...pretty impressive, eh ? and charge 7 Tesla Semi trailers.
a coal station would do that with 16 tonnes of coal....(80 205 litre drum of the stuff).
So it's NOT fake news.
But it's NOT collecting the wind of farm animals, either is it ???
It exists, it's NOT collecting burps and farts...
and the link that you provided is silly (and I believe that you only found it in the last hour).
When they say an acre produces "1KW", are they talking 1KWh, or 1KW for 8760 hours in the year ?
They can't even get their power metrics correct.
Now assuming it's the latter...1 acre of "whole crop maize" (that's everything, the good bits, the bad bits, the bits that usually get turned into something useful that they get paid for) produces 1KW for 8,760 hours in the year...8.76MWh...
With E50 per MWH wholesale price, that acre would earn 450 Euros before he paid for his plant...pretty impressive, eh ? and charge 7 Tesla Semi trailers.
a coal station would do that with 16 tonnes of coal....(80 205 litre drum of the stuff).
So it's NOT fake news.
But it's NOT collecting the wind of farm animals, either is it ???
To collect such gases from grazing animals would be tricky. First, you would have to apply a sort of gas mask and a sensor which would detect the arrival of a burp. Between then, you would have to supply the grazing animal with oxygen. Simultaneous to that, the animal would have to graze. Nobody in their right mind would attempt doing it that way.
The way it's usually done is to wash stall waste into a container and let bacteria convert the entire sluice into gas and broken up waste. The same can be done with domestic waste such as sluice and food waste. To obtain more methane per capita, you would have to drive peasants out of rural areas and into urban centers which have the infrastructure for collecting all that waste. This has already< happened, by accident, in China. Whether or not they are collecting gas or not is unknown to me.
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...and the link that you provided is silly (and I believe that you only found it in the last hour)...
The best links are in German where they have more experience with these issues:
https://www.stadtwerke-hameln.de/umwelt/biomasse/biogasanlagen.html
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....1 acre of "whole crop maize"...
Using foodstuffs for replacing gasoline and organic waste isn't an idea popular with everyone. Communities are presently collecting food waste and are extracting methane from it.
This particular plant produces enough energy for powering 3000 households with 10,000,000 kwh per year:
http://www.badische-zeitung.de/neuried/badenova-kauft-biogasanlage--19005082.html
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...Die Neurieder Anlage bringt es jährlich auf zehn Millionen Kilowattstunden und versorgt 3000 Haushalte...
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a coal station would do that with 16 tonnes of coal....(80 205 litre drum of the stuff)...
Coal could burn much cleaner, if it was pulverized to dust. But, to pulverize it would require amounts of energy which would call into question of it being feasable to even do so
The way it's usually done is to wash stall waste into a container and let bacteria convert the entire sluice into gas and broken up waste. The same can be done with domestic waste such as sluice and food waste. To obtain more methane per capita, you would have to drive peasants out of rural areas and into urban centers which have the infrastructure for collecting all that waste. This has already< happened, by accident, in China. Whether or not they are collecting gas or not is unknown to me.
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...and the link that you provided is silly (and I believe that you only found it in the last hour)...
The best links are in German where they have more experience with these issues:
https://www.stadtwerke-hameln.de/umwelt/biomasse/biogasanlagen.html
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....1 acre of "whole crop maize"...
Using foodstuffs for replacing gasoline and organic waste isn't an idea popular with everyone. Communities are presently collecting food waste and are extracting methane from it.
This particular plant produces enough energy for powering 3000 households with 10,000,000 kwh per year:
http://www.badische-zeitung.de/neuried/badenova-kauft-biogasanlage--19005082.html
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...Die Neurieder Anlage bringt es jährlich auf zehn Millionen Kilowattstunden und versorgt 3000 Haushalte...
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a coal station would do that with 16 tonnes of coal....(80 205 litre drum of the stuff)...
Coal could burn much cleaner, if it was pulverized to dust. But, to pulverize it would require amounts of energy which would call into question of it being feasable to even do so
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